Well, c'mon now, rewarding a judge who hosts and officiates events on their off time is CLEARLY part of the horrible entitlement culture we've got going on.

At least your store's owner isnt keeping the extra prizes from one kit.

I'm gonna disagree on that one...

Judging is a VOLUNTEER position. Its up to the venue. If the venue wants to give out 8 LE's to a judge, that's their business. (Fishy, IMO, and a little unfair to the players, but their business.)

If they decree one LE figure is given to the judge, again, their prerogative.

If they decree NO Le's are given out, that's not BS, its the venue making a call on whether or not they want to give away free product, and from a business perspective make sense.

The judge in question ran fellowship as a roll-off among the non-winners for an event. In the instance DMC is talking about, a player won the roll off for the fellowship prize, and the judge decided not to give it to that player.

In terms of the Grand Prize, I thought it was always set to 1 LE per player. With Cap/Iron Man counting as '1 LE'. See below:

Under Tournament Structure:
Month 4— The Final Showdown

Tournament Format: Swiss

Draft Format: 2-player Faction Draft

Players: Each case supports 16 players



So there's 16 Grand Prize LEs for 16 players max. No where does it say that the entire Grand Prize has to be used for the tournament. If only 6 players showed up, the venue is not obligated to distribute all the LEs if it doesn't want to as it would still fall in line with what's recommended for LE distribution. That said, the ethics of whether a judge should keep an entire set is debatable. I personally think both sides have a merit in the argument. But if the judge kept a full set despite having more than 8 players attend, then I think the judge would absolutely be wrong. Though this doesn't seem to be the case in the OP's situation.

If there was a legitimate reason, like that player doing something egregious during the event, that's fine. In fact, that should probably be encouraged. Don't reward people being jerks during a tournament, even if Fellowship is "random". I usually just award Fellowship to 3rd place in my normal events, but there's been once or twice that I've skipped over someone because they were acting like a jerk that day.

But yeah, if there was no reason other than "I don't like this guy", well, that Judge is a dink.

If you indeed have two grand prize kits to split among the players, then yes, that's 18 prizes among 6 people. 3 Prizes each. Or if you keep the Cap/Iron Man as one prize that's 16 Prizes among 6 people. 2-3 Prizes each (5th and 6th place would only get 2 prizes).

Oh wait- you mean that you assumed the prize support was all for the players? I see where this is going. You heard there were two sets in the store and instantly began calculating how you feel they should be distributed..

It sucks when you suck. Can you imagine being a poor downtrodden gamer who plays in a venue where there are more players than there are prizes, who spent $144.40 on events, and walk away with not even a Spider-man or even one of those recycled pieces??

But that's not what happened here - You had one set of 8/9 figures for drafting as advertised, with the prizes properly and correctly allocated to one prize figure per player in the top 8 of overall players, as outlined in all of the supporting documents for the event(s). Even if one set of the 2 sets was for the judge, this does not take away from the 8 prizes set for the top 8 players.

Congratulations. This seems to be the only part of this post that isn't whining or lacking sense.

I don't see the correlation here. Did your last place players expect something amazing that isn't a Spider-man? What if those players wanted those prizes and lucked out in that nobody wanted them until their pick anyway?

TO THIS PLAYER:
Here is a bag. Inside is nothing. It is the same bag that was given to the Judges who took time out of their day to host and run your events. The same judges who used their own personal funds to get transportation to an event they didn't play in. The same judges who didn't get to draft in Month 1, Month 2, Month 3, or month 4. The same judges who don't know what it's like to have a "recycled" prize because they didn't get one. Not a single one.

But don't get me wrong, when you're done enjoying the contents of the bag described above, return the bag, because I don't think you quite understand the concept of getting "Nothing".

So let me be clear to you- the Judges of these events, who had to conduct events and watch Battle Royals take place, Swiss events conclude, Top 8's be decided, make ruling calls, set up pairings and distribute maps, calculate standings and tournament points, and to watch as piece after piece was drafted into everyone's hands but their own; they are the ones who are walking away with a Grand Prize kit. The Kits came with 2 sets of 18 figures, and one was for the top 8 players, and the other was appreciation for the Judge who had to sit out of the fun for 4 months in a row.

Oh but wait dear player who doesn't understand the concept-Why don't you read the Retailer Information Sheet? If you do, you'll notice at the bottom of page 10, there is a section that reads "WHAT SHOULD WE DO WITH ANY REMAINING MARVEL HEROCLIX:CIVIL WAR PRODUCT?" and for each of the 3 categories - Booster Packs, Maps/Prize Packs, and Grand Prize Figures- The first option is "Appreciation Gift for volunteer judge/tournament organizer". The rest does suggest that you can use them for Prize Pool Offering, but that's up to the retailer at that point. With 8 figures for the Top 8 players of the event, this section of the Retailer Information Sheet tells you what you, as a retailer, can do with the second set of Grand Prize Figures. The venue/retailer in this case agreed to give a set to the judge (Which you disagree with, apparently).


I can't stand people like you. You clearly have no appreciation for your venue or the people who take time out of their day to make these things happen. And if you do, you have the worst way of showing it.

/Rant

It's not a volunteer position. It's whatever arrangement the Judge makes with the owner.

If the arrangement happens to be that the 'flex' prizes are the judges for the time, then how is it 'fishy'? That's what they are there for.

Why are they calling that a Fellowship prize and not a door prize, booby prize, or some other more accurate name?

If you want to call it a fellowship prize and do a roll off, then the roll off should only be held among people who qualified through displays of good fellowship.

As described your situation sounds like shenanigans.

Well... now I don't really mind that my judge took the remaining 4 booster packs. Thanks for pointing that out

Our venue's format was a little different. The buy in was the actual cost of the case divided by the number of participants, thank you venue. The judge bought in and played like everyone else. The format was a single booster battle royal as prescribed by the rules. After 3 rounds of play, we snaked drafted all of the figures and the prizes in the order you finished. We did the same thing the final month. Each month we threw extra LE's into the prize pool, the store orders an extra kit each month so we can do this for special events. For the final month the judges threw in their free t-shirts and maps from The Realms sale for crit hits and misses, that went over big. I have never seen people so happy to crit miss. We had between 10 - 16 per month. Everyone left happy from first to last.

You were charged DOUBLE because you got 2 boosters, not one.

$36 dollars a month seems like a fair price to charge for 2 boosters.
You got 10 figures and a shot at a Storyline LE every month , didn't you?
Maybe a shot at 2 LEs if you played 2 Battle Royales?
As well as any Maps, Bounty Cards, additional LEs that the Judge/Venue may have added?

Seems like a good value for your dollar to me.
Now if you played at multiple venues and got multiple boosters every month,
that is totally up to you.
I am sure that people do that so they can get multiple Grand Prizes during month 4.

You say that you (and/or others) may have finished the set before the 4 months was over?
Well first of all, consider yourself lucky.
Trade, play doubles, have a spare, give them to kids - do whatever you want.
Lots of people don't have multiple venues to play at.
Some people don't have ANY venues to play Storyline Events at.
Second of all, welcome to Storyline OP events.
Are you new to these events?
Do people have to explain them to you?

If this was facebook i'd request 100x likes for this.

I've been a judge where i've had to panic that we'd have enough and then that we would have to many.

In most of those cases I gave out extra prizes or didn't get anything for myself. It sucks when it happens but you grow a pair and get over it.

and to the OP

"I GOT WHAT I WANTED BUT F*** THAT GUY WHO GOT MORE THAN ME!" thats what your posting amounts to.

Let me ask this. Are you the only one that needs a binky? or did everyone go without 5 prize pieces and expected the judge to get nothing

BOOM !

Owned.

I think the reason it was assumed that the judge would draft in the prizes for the last month is because the play group purchased 12-16 players worth of product when there were only 6-8 people.