I'm a WHINER and proud of it. Look, the piont to his this thread is that TOURNAMENT ORIGINALITY, yes I said TOURNAMENT ORIGINALITY, is dead. In the MANGA and the show, each and every duel YAMI and YUGI have is VERY different and thats what makes DUELMONSTERS and good game.

If we didnt care about this game we would say nothing about the brokeness of BLS. But we do care so thats why we whine. YUGIOH will be at its finest on the day that a HARPIE deck or a GK deck or some theme deck crushes a MAJOR tourny. Currently that is close to impossible.


Chaos is old and needs to be put to sleep like Yata(rip) and CED(rip).

I hear ya redlash......except when chaos emperor was legal and i ran a burner deck i did this nasty trick:

chaos emperor > activate effect > chain ring > chain barrerl

yeah its mean but back then i only ever did it twice., and besides.....the people had it coming ;)....i hate abnoctious little kids......my terrorkings now eat them for breakfast......."whats that you want to snatch steal terror king......lemme jut get my dice :devious: ".....mwahahaha :devious:

i agree that BLS has become a huge crutch in the competitive game (and if we're lucky, will be placed in the banned corner soon). I will admit to have run him in a few decks but not to the point where I am praying to God that i draw it to win. i ran him only in decks that did not depend on him, but instead could use him for support if he is needed and only then. i built an awesome batteryman deck for a tournament (finally losing only to a gravkeepers deck) and out of 5 rounds i never needed to use the BLS to win. he was there mostly only for the tougher positions when i started having trouble. he only was in the deck because he helped it and could be used well in it. i will agree that this is definately a ridicuous trend that has to be stopped whether it be by the players or upperdeck themselves.

The ridiculous BLS abuse and this game's huge factor of luck(play and forget) have caused me and my friends to move on to magic the gathering. This game has left a very bad taste in my mouth. I grew up playing streetfighter, a game that took real skill. I can't play a game where most cards have no strategic timing or any real mind games. Everything revolves chaos. If a card doesn't work with chaos, it's considered weak. Playing matches with chaos players is soooo predictable. Look at the trading forums and you see everyone's looking for the same cards. I may come back if Konami decides to take drastic measures, but as of now I'm in love with magic. It's so much more fun and challenging.

Well said...

And we lose another player to another game because of chaos....

Just sad...

I hear you. Would love to move to my other game (the game that I started TCG play with) and that would be Pokemon. But unfortunately due to unforseen circumstances in my life and League Play just dried up in my area I can't. I'm waiting right now for their Modified to change so I can get back into playing Pokemon so I'm waiting.

Unfortunately the only game that I can play in my area IS YGO. But I can't do any League Play right now because Upper Deck in their SHEER stupidity closed off League Play until September. The summer time is a great time to get players in for Leagues and yet they've ignored that. Also the fact that the place I've played tournaments at the stores closed it's doors which is pretty odd because 2 weeks before the Long Beach Regionals, I was there at the store and they were talking about doing the tournaments a hour back. I'm looking for tourneys right now as long as it's not a certain store in Rancho Cucomonga.

So I'm kinda hoarked in TCG card play at the moment.

sounds weird the way im going to say this but i think the power of a chaos deck is restricted by the use of bls. now i know that sounds weird that a chaos deck shouldn't run bls. but every has to focus there deck around dark and light, when if you take out that restriction, it leaves the deck with alot more options.

i have never run an envoy in my life, i do admit that on occasions the power of the dark side has tempted me but i neverr succumed. as the great book says
"and the world was thrown into chaos, but alone the Righteous shall survive"
or something like that. now i admit that i have never won a tournament, yet, my deck is constantly play testing and im getting close to the stage where i can take on not just one chaos deck but a whole army of chaos decks(thats aall thats at tourneys). and won day i alone shall rule the world and wait for the day an original deck can take me down.

so bring on the originality.

I hate the argument that says as soon as BLS is banned everyone can find a new card to complain about. I dont think thats the case, what card is comparable to a 3000 atk 2500 def monster with virtually no summon requirements and 2 broken effects? I cant wait for the fag to be banned so I could play some other decks besides chaos when I boot up YVD or go to a tourney.

There is no card as broken as BLS at this moment, but a single card will eventually be removed from our card pool. With that said, the brokeness deemed on cards will be slightly skewed higher once BLS hits the banned brick wall.

Possible "Replacements" for BLS as Most Broken Card in Advanced-play*.

1. Sacred Pheonix of Nepthys- (sp?)
Its susceptible to all the removal BLS is, and you'll see her every turn after you get her out, praying you dont get her RFP. Her S/T removal is that in which everyone has been waiting for forever.

2. DMoC-
I doubt people will see why but Spell Retrievel, 2800 attack, RFPing any monster it kills, and being able to be dumped and reborned is something worth mentioning.

3. Horus the Black Flame Dragon Lv 8-
Spell negation, free of charge, for ONLY your opponent, 3000 attack? Undeniably broken. Getting him out and keeping him there is your only drawback, of sorts. Expect this card to see more play once the peoples crutch hits the sack.

4. Chaos Sorcerer-
BLS's little unrestricted brother. Light of Intervention and posible other cards can keep all face up monsters on the field face-up for his destruction to touch all monsters. 2300 attack isnt as broken as BLS, but thats what were looking for, a monster that isnt another BLS.

*Keep in mind this is my thoughts on it.
Thank you,
Azurai Aeon

I don't know if I'd really call chaos sorcerer broken, I'd call it a fixed version of BLS-EOTB

There will be no replacement for broken luster soldier in my opinion. All the cards you named are powerful but not nearly as broken as BLS. Lets just ban the turd and start seeing different decks. I am not even looking for originality just variety. It would be cool to go to a tourney and play other decks besides chaos.

Also chaos sorcerer is in no way comprable to bls. He cant target facedowns,m catn attack twice and has only 2300 atk. I think hes a great monster but nowhere near bls status.

Well, BLS must be that bad. I've never possessed this card with my own hands eyes in my life, so far, but with all the hate going around, I've pretty much taken all I can take of the comments. First off, I don't think BLS will be banned. I'm no Konami represetative but it won't because:

1. With everyone creating a hoopla about it, it's still popular.

2. It could emlimnate an enite deck type and they don't want to do that. And you can't say Konami has done that in the past. Magical Scientist OTK is a type of fusion deck, and fusion decks will still exist as long as metamorphosis is legal.

3. Yugioh with no Envoys? That doesn't even sound right.

4. There were plenty of opportunities to ban it, but it wasn't banned. Why ban it later when they can ban some other potentially, yet less threatening, great card like Sinister Serpent.

I think to alleviate the unfairness of the card, one day, BLS won't be banned, but they may reintroduce cards from the ban list. Welcome back Butterfly Dagger. Or maybe an errata will be made so that is a nomi monster. The future is still uncertain.

Exactly, I dont want another BLS, which is why I ran Chaos Sorcerer for a while, it isnt even remotely comparable, or even broken, but it does have some things in common with BLS. Nothing will take BLS's place as THAT broken, but they will be the top of the food chain. Right now, they are the next best thing, so when BLS gets the boot, they will have there chance to shine. ^_^

the4x8: Thats the whole thing, the game should of NEVER had either envoy.
1: Popular you say? Then why was CED banned?
2: They would eliminate an entire card, not deck type. Chaos isnt just BLS, rather so, since the real chaos decks benefeit from having cards RFP.
3: As i said, yugioh was devastated, in the wrong way, by both envoys. KOJ(or someone) saw this, and banned CED, BLS is next. We all know it.
4: Now, now, I know you could kill your opponent with a SS with 3 axes, but SS isnt ending the game, there is no posible scenario with SS to end the game as BLS does.
Please, the4x8, dont take this as me pouncing on your post, im just trying to debate, i think. :)
Thank you,
Azurai Aeon

u are totally right ive got three decks an exodia a beast, and a beautiful ramoved from play deck....
all i have else to say is good point

As i was talking about this a little earlier to a person, he said something that scared me:

"right about now this game needs BLS"

At first I thought that he was crazy, but as he explained why, he made perfect sense.

As this game continues, the Recent chaos game is in a state of flux, whereas chaos decks are separating enough that they actually have identities of their own. This in turn makes BLS just another card to play just as Pot of Greed is a card to play.

If the BLS were to be removed from tournament play right now, the game would revert back to a disgusting form of beats, where beatdown would be king, and people would probably start to use Summoned Skulls every now and then. Since the Style of chaos is changing the way the game is played (at least in the states), the game could be played in a number of different ways.

recently, I've seen people who have used 3 Bottomless Trap holes in their decks (whether a combo of side or main) find them extrememly ineffective, especially against goat control decks. that, with the way the removal works makes the game very interesting to play lately.

I actually told him that I agree with him 75%. I would hate to have this game go back to the hell that was beatdown.