Flawed? Possibly. But, if everyone around you were getting a promotion at work every year or every other year, and all the boss kept handing you was a different color toilet bowl scrubber; wouldn't you feel like you deserved better at some point?

That's my logic towards the new hulks. He is one of Marvel's most iconic figures and his 'clix representations have fallen seriously short of the mark for years. Look at the comparison of other brick-based figures that got significant boosts in playability (not just comic accuracy).

Juggernaut? - check!

Thing? - check!

Superman? - check!

Steel? - check!

Namor? - double check!

Hulk? - LOL!!


Any questions?

The big difference in new-Hulk playability is no secret: don't give them reverse dials.

In this era of "special white powers", I think the game could tolerate an "Infinity Challenge" hulk dial as long as the dial had the equivalent of un-outwittable damage reducers on the defense track.

Excellent points, Carabas.

(Man, how did you hook up those examples together? That was cool. )

Juggernaut "too good for the points"?

Great figure but hardly that.

There's the catch..."bricks" as in plural. I highly doubt Seth will give this treatment to the other bricks in this game. Thus one of the reasons for this thread

That's the "problem" with this game; the mechanics highly favor range combatants. I wish Wizkids would make changes so that all other close-combatants (not just the Hulk) could be on equal ground.

In the units section, callup a list of [whatever - in this case all figures that have Invulnerability], then mark the ones you want to compare in the right column, and hit the 'versus' button on the bottom of the screen.

Well, we did get playable versions of amm of these, but no super-duper borken ones. Well, except Icons Superman, and he lead to a rules rewrite and heralded in a generaly de-powercreeping of the game.

None of these are exceptionally good for their points. Ramapging Hulk makes rookie Shazam seem downright overpriced.

R Shazam has big damage on 6 out of his 7 Charge/HSS clicks, along with Outwit for two of them. And he's a flier. And he's 105 points.

I think what's really getting people is the one click of Squash combined with a fairly standard Hulk dial. Granted, I'd love to see a detailed breakdown of the design, but this Hulk is no more broken than, say, C JL Batman (who has Outwit, perma-Stealth, decent damage AND a power that allows him to zip around the board with no penalty).

I mean, you've named the two other pieces (Shazam, Batman) that I feel are disproportionately costed for the power they have. The only reason the problem looks worse with this Hulk is that his entire dial is crazily powerful for 128 points, whereas Batman and Shazam have only a few key clicks that are unusually strong (and Shazam, for all his amazingness, has an obvious Achilles heel built in).

Give them time. While I'm loving this Hulk (mainly due to the fact that I haven't been able to play a Hulk in 5 YEARS without practically GIVING 150+ points to my opponent), I think that he's only the beginning of a rebalancing of CC pieces. I'll be thrilled if we get a classic Wonder Woman who can hold her own against Supes. I'll love seeing a readily attainable Juggernaut with the raw stats of Cain Marko and the benefit of an awesome SP. I'm sure a redesigned Thing will get similar treatment. However, if they are indeed reimagining bricks to compete in a range-dominated game, I think that the Hulk is a credible front runner of that movement.

And I STILL think he's WAY more balanced than R Shazam.

Considering the inherent disadvantages of having a 0 range, and his "L/C charge" being hurt by being required to only use quake, I'd say he's just fine.

Sure, Hulk has a great movement power, but he has it for one click and then you get what basically amounts to a standard Hulk dial: steadily rising combat values, consistent super strength, a spike in DV and an eventual decline. He's designed to jump in your face from the get go and stay there until he kills you or you kill him. He's got no Leap/Climb, so he isn't consistently running away. His high DV works great for him up close, but hinders the use of Support. Sure, the lack of Battle Fury means he can be carried, but it also means that he can be mind controlled. Plus, as with any brick, he's susceptible to a ranged swarm. Flurry won't help him there.

Shazam can hit and run (and fly, and Outwit). Batman can hit and hide (and Outwit). Hulk can leap in and...well...hit! That's what he does! And with this piece he does it early, after which he's little more than a grounded brick with a fighting chance at dishing out some damage before he's shot to death.

I'm failing to see the uproar here.

Where?

On Clicks 2, 3,6 and 7, he has a natural 4 Damage...that's it.

One click of 3 Damage on a 105 point character is hardly "big damage".

As for the Hulk, he has "big damage" and big Defense, too big (without getting Outwitted), in my opinion, for a mere 128 points.

Uh-uh, trust me, it's not that....

4 clicks of natural 4 damage, WITH HSS/Charge and Outwit, is pretty huge for a 105 point figure.

As for the defense, I'll give you that. He's got a lot of 18 DV. But broken? Sorry, but no.

You've got more faith than I do.

No way, brudda.

All your points are true, nobody's denying them.

The "problem" is that compared to other standard Bricks (sans HSS), he's waaay above everybody else in that point range, imho.

His Damage and Defense (numbers-wise) is insane.