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I don't get the beef with these big cross overs affecting future storylines and continuing on.
Marvel is a large, continuting universe, it would be kinda stupid if everyone forgot about the events in World War Hulk the next day. The actions the charaters took would have no impact if the story's were completely and totally self-contained.
Of course House of M had to "continue" after the mini-series was over, the series had big ramafications. It would be kinda stupid if it was over and done with once the series was done.
Theres only one Return, and it ain't of the King, its of the Jedi.
Yeah, that was pretty lame. "What? After all the mess the Hulk has made no one's even gotten a hang nail because of him?".
Actually, I once got a paper cut from an Avengers book that Hulk was guest-starring in. In effect, I was wounded during a Hulk battle. And that was when Banner had control over the Hulk's body.
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The Queen wasn't buried, however. The warp core explosion just wiped her out completely. Now that "green gas" could be the "dust" of the Queen, when it comes to comics never discount anything, but I looked at the picture of the Son of Hulk and saw him forming out of the ground kinda like Swamp Thing and immediately thought of all the flowers that grew anytime Hulk bled.
The Dust? Hmm, like fungus spores? Why not? Hulk's blood made plants grow, surely growing an entire child would be easy for him.
True. She was basically obliterated from existence. Of course, stranger things have happened.
Apparently, they've decided that it is the actual son from Hulk and Caiera.
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NRAMA: And that would be Skaar…the son?
GP: Yes, indeed. The son of the Hulk and the Shadow Warrior Caiera the Oldstrong. Check out Carlo Pagulayan's depiction of the character in the back pages of World War Hulk #5. If you loved Planet Hulk and World War Hulk, you're not going to want to miss Skaar: Son of Hulk.
this was the best "main event" that Marvel has turned out in For-EVER!!!!!
Although I will say that Sentry barely did anything again. He got beat up.
what good is having all that power if not a single one of your writers can do anything interesting with him?
The satellite thing was cool, fine. I buy it. But the angle they left us with at the end.......well, it's different. Probably won't stay on to see what it turns into.
Enjoyed it a lot. I hope more main events are just like this: compressed and action packed.
I don't get the beef with these big cross overs affecting future storylines and continuing on.
Marvel is a large, continuting universe, it would be kinda stupid if everyone forgot about the events in World War Hulk the next day. The actions the charaters took would have no impact if the story's were completely and totally self-contained.
Of course House of M had to "continue" after the mini-series was over, the series had big ramafications. It would be kinda stupid if it was over and done with once the series was done.
Well, of course any significant aftereffects should remain and affect future stories.
But not resolving the central conflict your story revolves around, that's just bad storytelling.
There's a big difference between leaving a few loose ends to be picked up later, and not having any sort of ending at all.
House Of Meh was about doing something about the Scarlet Witch's escalating powers. That was the central conflict set up in issue #1. This did not get resolved at all, and instead most of the story was spend watching various heroes and villains wandering around in Pietro's fantasy world, before the story pulled a deus ex machina (second sin of storytelling here: having your main characters that you have followed for 8 or so issues not actually be involved in the semi-ending).
Wanda ended up somewhere hidden across the world, and all the story really did was create a new status quo for the X-Men (which then went unaddressed for years by most of the regular X-Men writers because, frankly, it stunk).
Civil War was about the Superhero Registration Act, more specifically, about the conflict between its opposers and supporters.
Story ends when Captain Americ out of the blue just simply gives up. Just him though, his compatriotes carry on the fight. The central confilct remains unresolved.
Compare Infinite Crisis: there's some dangling loose ends like the possible Multiverse (although this was only added in the collected verion). The central conflicts (the JLA drifting apart, Alex Luthor wanting to create his own, perfect Earth, Brother I...) were all satisyingly resolved by the end of the story.
Everybody made peace, all major villains were killed or locked up, and the uni(or multi)verse was saved. The End.
If you're going to do a 50+ issue crossover epic, I think it's just bad manners if you don't have a proper The End when it's done.
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Yoda of Borg, we are: Futile, resistance is. Assimilate you, we will.
Namor was not on Hulk's hit list because, he verbally told the other Illuminati members that he was against it and wouldn't have anything to do with it. He told them that Banner would come back and kill them all and then he got into a physical fight with Iron Man and did pretty well against him.
Superman: "One of these days, Lois....POW!!! Right to the Marvel Universe!"
Even though he went nuts, the Sentry didn't kill anyone. By the time he's fighting the Hulk, NYC has been evacuated, per Hulk's orders. The only people left were at Madison Square Garden. Now, as far as property damage, thanks to Sentry's little stunt, Stark should be a pauper. Who needs the Void? Just let Sentry fight someone long enough and he'll kill everyone for ya! He's an agoraphobic, schizophrenic, ex-junkie who's also something of a masochist?!? Yet and still, it's the Hulk they need to ship away....Oooookay, then!
Superman: "One of these days, Lois....POW!!! Right to the Marvel Universe!"
I think that if Rick Jones survives it just shows how crappy marvel really is. Imagine, that Rick Jones a normal human is "skewered" rgith through hi chest cavity and manages to survive. Yet, Captain America gets shot in the shoulder and a couple of plugs in the gut and he goes "belly up". Let's not mention the fact that he had his suit of chainmail on which basically deflects bullets, Oh yeah thats right let me not mention that. JOE Q - YOU SUCK THE BIG ONE MAN!!!!
"That which does not kill us, makes us stronger..."
this all carpiness is for people be prepair for when the Skrull invasion comes this next year (again!). Be prepiar for the "Clone" saga all over again when you will dicover what YEARS of follow a character are for nothing because you was really follow the adventures of a Skrull.
The only way what I will be happy WAS if the Skrull inviltrators actually DON'T KNOW what they are Skrulls (and they himself like the real Marvel characters without know the true), I was thinking in that as a good idea. but now after see the last New Avengers Iluminati that is not possible. the Skrulls are here for ##### up everything, and I'm not talking about a War, I'm talking about years of continuity what the Skrulls will destroy.
What do you mean "THE" Big one? I'm sure there are more then one big one out there. For all you know, Joe Q sucks three big ones. Maybe even at the same time.
Civil War was about the Superhero Registration Act, more specifically, about the conflict between its opposers and supporters.
Story ends when Captain Americ out of the blue just simply gives up. Just him though, his compatriotes carry on the fight. The central confilct remains unresolved.
While Cap giving up kinda sucked, it didn't really seem out of the blue to me. He realized he was fighting for himself and not the people. And I don't think anyone else is still fighting against the registration act, it's been passed and that's it. Tony won. The New Avengers have moved on to dealing with Skrulls and such.
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Compare Infinite Crisis: there's some dangling loose ends like the possible Multiverse (although this was only added in the collected verion). The central conflicts (the JLA drifting apart, Alex Luthor wanting to create his own, perfect Earth, Brother I...) were all satisyingly resolved by the end of the story.
Everybody made peace, all major villains were killed or locked up, and the uni(or multi)verse was saved. The End.
Until 52, right? And then Countdown. And then Final Crisis. The illusion of conclusiveness seems more annoying to me then anything else.
While Cap giving up kinda sucked, it didn't really seem out of the blue to me. He realized he was fighting for himself and not the people. And I don't think anyone else is still fighting against the registration act, it's been passed and that's it. Tony won. The New Avengers have moved on to dealing with Skrulls and such.
Hmm, I found Cap's giving up kind of out of the blue as well. And kind of a lame finish to what the whole fight was built up to be.
And there are still heroes that are not registered. Maybe not fighting in the open way they were before, but they certainly are fighting it by not signing up with the government.