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But way back when, we didnt have the sets we have now. By far would it be regular beatdown, again. You even said it yourself, BLS is being distinguished as another single card to play, not the deck. If BLS is banned, chaos will still continue on, Chaos Sorcerer and DMoC is even considered "chaos".
It will never be as bad if we do infact see regular beatdown again, anything is better then having to know in my mind, and in everyone elses: "BLS is a win condition."
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but BLS is becoming less and less of a win condition as it used to be.
More and more I see it being summoned in defense position to initially use priority to remove a monster. The soldier isn't as strong as it used to be in the day when you summoned the Soldier, Called Jinzo, and normal summoned a 1900 beatstick. Goats are the mainstay of todays meta and seems to stop all of the gigantic attacks that BLS has to offer.
now I'm not saying he's not broken, or that I don't wish to see him leave the game, but I don't want to go back to the time where everything had to be 1800 or higher to be considered good. I bet you now, that someone could slip in somewhere with a fiend deck and do halfway decently in a tournament setting. and I think harpies do quite well in a goat control setting, although I haven't tried it as of late.
As this game continues, the Recent chaos game is in a state of flux, whereas chaos decks are separating enough that they actually have identities of their own. This in turn makes BLS just another card to play just as Pot of Greed is a card to play.
Adding in a few different cards from the typical cookie-cutter Chaos deck does not make give a Chaos deck which uses the same core cards all the time with MAYBE a three or four card different "uniqe". As for the As for the comment about BLS turning into "just another card" that's not really good thing, Pot of Greed(the card used for you analogy) is card that can fit in most, if not all, deck themes, BLS does not fit in all deck themes. If it becomes "just another card"(i.e. a staple) then more people will run it in decks that it doesn't belong in.
That's just my take on it.
I agree with that one guy. Please stop creating threads about BLS, good or bad. If people want to use him, let them be unoriginal. Thats their choice. If you're not good enough to beat BLS then maybe you chould check your deck. BLS never stays on the field for more than 1 or 2 turns. This is like saying "Oh! I think we should ban staples because I'm getting my *ss kicked by them and I don't have them". Leave BLS alone. I'm glad CED's is gone and that is enough for now. But you guys have been creating this exact same thread for months now.
BLS is not broken (I.E.) vortex, fissure, hammer shot, smashing ground, chaos sorcerer, ring of destruction, mirror force, sakuretsu armor, tribute to the doomed, book of moon/nobleman of crossout (my personal favorite), D.D. Assailant, D.D. Warrior Lady, Exiled Force, and trust me I can think of more.
well actually, how many cards does one have to have before it becomes a deck with its own identity???
The addition of Tsukiyomi/TER/multiple scapegoats makes a whole new style to the way chaos is played, adding a whole new addition/identity to chaos. as opposed to the standard chaos control, as well as the oft-played warrior/chaos decks. This isn't like the same thing as having 4 zombies in a deck and calling it a Zombie deck. mainly because of the fact that it is still called a chaos deck, but with its own identity.
but it still doesn't stop the reality of what would happen if BLS were to be removed from the tournament setting: the world would revert to whose monster is largest. right now, many a deck could actually compete if they tried, whereas before they could not because the average monster attack strength was just too low. I believe that this game has possibilities for variety, but we will have to see in the near future.
but BLS is becoming less and less of a win condition as it used to be.
Kilroy: No disrespect but you can't serious. You were at Shonen Jump; you
saw how rediculous it has gotten. There were people there that almost wet their
pants because they couldn't win in one turn.
Quote : Originally Posted by raki
they should just ban the whole ioc block why? becuse thats what everyone brings to tournaments.
Raki: No the entire set just BLS...If you truely believe BLS isn't broken tell me this:
The last ten times you lost in a tournament was there a BLS invovled? If you can
honestly answer none I'll be shocked and amazed, if you say all ten I'll see that
as typical.
Quote : Originally Posted by Tha-Msnjah
I agree with that one guy. Please stop creating threads about BLS, good or bad. If people want to use him, let them be unoriginal. Thats their choice. If you're not good enough to beat BLS then maybe you chould check your deck. BLS never stays on the field for more than 1 or 2 turns. This is like saying "Oh! I think we should ban staples because I'm getting my *ss kicked by them and I don't have them". Leave BLS alone. I'm glad CED's is gone and that is enough for now. But you guys have been creating this exact same thread for months now.
BLS is not broken (I.E.) vortex, fissure, hammer shot, smashing ground, chaos sorcerer, ring of destruction, mirror force, sakuretsu armor, tribute to the doomed, book of moon/nobleman of crossout (my personal favorite), D.D. Assailant, D.D. Warrior Lady, Exiled Force, and trust me I can think of more.
Tha-Msnjah: I'm not trying to sound repeatative but the situation has
been the same for months. BLS has gotten rediculously cookie-cutter. The
situation hasn't changed and so the arguemnt is the same. Usually BLS being on
the field is the last part of the duel. "BLS is not broken" I'm not going to respond
to such nonsense.
Quote : Originally Posted by krazykilroy
well actually, how many cards does one have to have before it becomes a deck with its own identity???
Kilroy: When CED and Yata were legal almost everydeck had one. Now that
they're gone everyone moved on to a less cheap way to win. But that was only
one of many steps to create a well balanced game. If everyone played the same
deck what's the point of having YGO as a TCG you might as well play poker; Luck
of the draw; no originalty. I shudder at the thought.
well actually, how many cards does one have to have before it becomes a deck with its own identity???
The addition of Tsukiyomi/TER/multiple scapegoats makes a whole new style to the way chaos is played, adding a whole new addition/identity to chaos. as opposed to the standard chaos control, as well as the oft-played warrior/chaos decks. This isn't like the same thing as having 4 zombies in a deck and calling it a Zombie deck. mainly because of the fact that it is still called a chaos deck, but with its own identity.
but it still doesn't stop the reality of what would happen if BLS were to be removed from the tournament setting: the world would revert to whose monster is largest. right now, many a deck could actually compete if they tried, whereas before they could not because the average monster attack strength was just too low. I believe that this game has possibilities for variety, but we will have to see in the near future.
If thats the risk, then I'll take it. Change is important. In fact, I miss the old days. It's easier to counter than a card that'll finish you in one turn
Kilroy: No disrespect but you can't serious. You were at Shonen Jump; you
saw how rediculous it has gotten. There were people there that almost wet their
pants because they couldn't win in one turn.
Yes but there were just as many more who wet their pants from the POT/Graceful/duo on the first turn GOD-hand.
Quote : Originally Posted by Morpheus1981
Raki: No the entire set just BLS...If you truely believe BLS isn't broken tell me this:
The last ten times you lost in a tournament was there a BLS invovled? If you can
honestly answer none I'll be shocked and amazed, if you say all ten I'll see that
as typical.
But you could say the same for POT/GRACEFUL/DUO or any of the broken cards they have in their decks. Lately I've noticed that the soldier removes a monster from the game at the most, and that's the most damage he does. Seeing that as a third Nobleman doesn't faze me at the most.
Quote : Originally Posted by Morpheus1981
Tha-Msnjah: I'm not trying to sound repeatative but the situation has
been the same for months. BLS has gotten rediculously cookie-cutter. The
situation hasn't changed and so the arguemnt is the same. Usually BLS being on
the field is the last part of the duel. "BLS is not broken" I'm not going to respond
to such nonsense.
Now if you want me to say that he not broken, I can't do that. He's extrememly ridiculous, and he should never have been made, and he does not need to stay in the tournament scene. However, I am definitely not ready for the reversion to the way things used to be. which brings me to:
Quote : Originally Posted by Morpheus1981
Kilroy: When CED and Yata were legal almost everydeck had one. Now that
they're gone everyone moved on to a less cheap way to win. But that was only
one of many steps to create a well balanced game. If everyone played the same
deck what's the point of having YGO as a TCG you might as well play poker; Luck
of the draw; no originalty. I shudder at the thought.
If you think that Chaos is cookie-cutter now, you really haven't been looking much at the game lately. I have seen at least 3 different styles of chaos decks at the Jump with each of those decks having a different playstyle.
Your theme decks really didn't have a chance back in the day of beatdown, and they wouldn't if beatdown came back. I believe that this game will definitely have a chance with the game having different strategies, instead of having the beefiest monsters in my deck and crushing you.
But once again, I may be wrong. But I am liking the recent evolution of this game.
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If thats the risk, then I'll take it. Change is important. In fact, I miss the old days. It's easier to counter than a card that'll finish you in one turn
I have to agree with you on this point (not like anyone really cares) but I too run BLS envoy, I once hated the card and was sick of it. But I began to quite enjoy the power after i built a Elemental Mistress deck which was screaming for BLS, I haev since dropped the deck since i was relying on Envoy to seal the deal. I now run a Harpie deck, which Envoy is in. But only until i get my greedy little hands on a Sacred Phoenix.
I think they should think if maybe banning Envoy for a couple sets, and while they are at it get rid of that f***ing JINZO.
BLS is either a crutch or a victory condition in a deck in which it is used
BLS is in fact one of those single card wonders that can easily seal or turn a game around; not guarateed in every duel, but still
BLS is not banned, as the rest of the aforementioned type of cards have been
The constant BLS hate/love threads exist and have for quite some time, meaning that a problem does exist; sadly there are no senators or elected officials to complain to
The concern is toward the fact that so many people gravitate their decks around one card
The "Chaos" deck, which runs DD's and other good effect monsters, usually win without BLS- meaning the monsters have potential alone
(that is like saying, "If I'm going to win, I'll win; but If I'm going to lose, I can still win.")
Chaos decks are trends, and are not too bad at doing this winning thing
Chaos does require some skill, but what deck doesn't
Everyone uses him so they would have a chance at winning, instead of losing
They could try to be original, but they have no need to
Better players do not need him, and everyone else thinks they do.
My personnal thoughts, every chaos deck will have more space to do something new when BLS is banned, who'd of thought! And yes, sorcerer will catch the door as BLS leaves, for some decks. Sorcerer is a much better monster, he is way more balanced. And what happened to beats? Could a straight 1900 monster deck still open cans in todays world? Aren't most monsters played 1800 and less? Maybe I will find out.
I run BLS, but only because my area plays traditonal and I don't gots a CED.
The concern is toward the fact that so many people gravitate their decks around one card
The "Chaos" deck, which runs DD's and other good effect monsters, usually win without BLS- meaning the monsters have potential alone (that is like saying, "If I'm going to win, I'll win; but If I'm going to lose, I can still win.")
Chaos decks are trends, and are not too bad at doing this winning thing
Chaos does require some skill, but what deck doesn't
Everyone uses him so they would have a chance at winning, instead of losing
They could try to be original, but they have no need to
Better players do not need him, and everyone else thinks they do.
I agree with the bold portion. But I guess I feel more strongly about since I've
seen a lack of originality for so long. My only major complaint about big tournies
and regionals has been seeing the same thing over and over. It makes me
think, "why didn't I save my money and stay home."
Killroy, you'll love my newest article. I described the ages a little more in detail though. I have to edit it so that its not just a set by set description though.