yea we all envy being banned. :)

you all envy foreign players that can win a pc in your home :)

Well, I guess Ill share my Roy story too. At first I figured it would just be redundant. However, reading other's stories sure is fun, and it really hammers in the point of what a scumbag he is.

It was the 7th or 8th round of day 2 of PCLA05. I had drafted a decent deck with a few amazing Squad cards. Among these cards were 2x Pancea Potion, but my deck was lacking in the teamup department (I only had one). The entire game Roy was acting fairly regular, but I was still trying to be weary of any shifty moves he might try to do because of his reputation. He counted my cards a few times, tried to cheat me of a few points of breakthrough damage, pretended to not know how cards worked as to benefit him, and told me my cards worked differently than they actually do; nothing I couldnt correct with politeness.

It was turn 6 with my initiative, and I had a hefty lead. I had the distinct misfortune of missing my 6 drop however, but I was able to underdrop Speed Demon and some irrelevant 2 drop. My board also contained a 5-drop Nighthawk, a four drop Mr Hyde with a equipment on him, and a 3 drop Blackout in the concealed. I pushed my range deficient characters foreword, and passed it over to Roy.

Roy dropped a Helmut Zemo 6 drop in his build, and passed to me. I did a various serious of attacks which enabled me to stun his entire board with the exception of Helmut, but also left me with a unexhausted Nighthawk and rereadied Speed Demon that couldnt attack because they couldnt team attack. I pass my attack step to Roy and he thinks for a good amount of time. During this time I put the lone card in my hand facedown on the table (a Pancea Potion). I also had a Pancea Potion facedown in my row. Roy has the option of stunning my Nighthawk which would logically make me KO my four (had I not had a Pancea), or swinging into Speed Demon for 3 additional breakthrough. After some more time he starts to look at my facedown characters (without asking, but you usually dont in these situations so I thought nothing of it). He looks through my characters (one of which is a stunned/equiped Mr Hyde), and then starts to pick up the Pancea Potion in my hand like it was a stunned character. The the card looked like it may have been a stunned character, but it was slanted diagonally and out of the formation in a place that would have been my support row. I had quite obviously pushed all my characters foreword during the formation, as none of them had range. The second he starts to pick up my hand (in sort of a scooping-to-self motion, like you would when you look at a stunned character) I slap it down and asked him if he saw it. Roy denies it, but I could tell that he had a full view of what the picture/color/name is by the angle he lifted it off the table.

I call the judge over (Matt Tabak) and we both explain the situation to him. After some deliberating to determine what happened, Tabak goes over and talks to Paul Ross. Paul also comes to our table to assess the situation. Roy says he did not see the card, and while I am not certain if he looked at it intentionally, I am certain he saw it. After about 15 minutes or so of deliberating, Paul comes back with a ruling of a game loss based off discrepancies in Roys story and his 3 or so previously accumulated warnings throughout the tournament. (Roy explained he picked up every character that was stunned on my board separately, and there was something about Mr Hyde and his equipment making him weird to pick up and look at, but thats too complicated to explain on a message board).

At about this time I start to feel cheesy for getting a game win in such a manner, and I decide to show Roy the card I was holding. I wanted to let him know that the card was extremely relevant, in the off chance he was telling the truth. I flip the Pancea Potion - Roy picks it up, holds it close to his eyes and squints like he is a old man. He says extremely fast "Whats that card do? I dont know what that card does" and then puts it back down quickly without giving himself appropriate time to read it. That action made me feel justified in my actions for calling the judges; I knew then for a fact Roy was lying. (I think I would be drumming the obvious drums to remind you that Squad was the most played deck in the constructed portion the day before.)

Regardless, I would have one the game the next turn. Roys seven drop was something horrible (I believe a Enchantress). I had a Arcannia in my row, a full board, two/one Pancea Potion (depending on if I play one on turn 6) and I was up by about 20 endurance to his four.

If they ran a PC in my home, the feature match area would have to be in the laundry room.

to me it does not matter.american or euro ,cheater is a cheater.

Are you in Europe familiar with Barry Bonds?

sorry, baseball surely is not an issue here.


seems weird to me to unite hans and roy.
hans never got even the suspect of cheating before the "L.a. case" while roy have an ambiguous fame.
again, the hans case was not surely cheating (especially according to what hans said) while switching decks can't have excuses.
anyway....the hans case is closed and i don't want to make polemics about.

Yes lets not make it about Hans
I think that Cugino's original aim when he mentioned it. The little joke afterwards with the obvious smile face wasn't taken jestfully so lets just leave it now :)

Thanks for sharing the story Tim. Similar to how Prosak likes tournament reports (and who doesn't?) I quite like the people interactions and this is high profile of course.

Who's Barry Bonds?

Some LaCrosse player I hear.;)

Umm, no?!

Barry Bonds is a player for San Francisco who, about six years ago, started taking steroids. His production skyrocketed despite the fact that he was 35 at the time. He currently holds the single-season home run record (home runs are a big deal in baseball). If he gets healthy he has a chance to break the all time HR record...and nobody cares, because he takes steroids.

Bonds has categorically denied taking steroids. But everyone in his vacinity has stated he has, including his personal trainer, other members of his team, and various doctors and medical personnel. There is a book out right now called Game of Shadows that details where, when and why he started using.

That's why no one cares. Despite his protests of innocence, Bonds has been labeled a steroid user, because no one who was there has defended him. If he breaks the HR record...so what? He's a cheater. What does the record mean if you have to cheat to break it?

Remember when Roy was briefly suspended a few months back (when his brother showed up on the list), and a bunch of people here were kind enough to give him the benefit of the doubt and defend him when he was being bashed on these boards? I feel bad for those people now that Roy's not only been confirmed to be a cheater, but has slapped them in the face by doing so.

@ markslack
i see....i understand your point but by me the question is just more complex than it seems.
european players have a lot to speak about...but again...this is not about hans, maybe we can share points of view: another time another place. :)

Finally, a subject worth talking about. I personally have no clue if Bonds took steroids. But your statements on how nobody cares if he breaks the records or not because he's been labeled a steroid user are ridiculous. I believe just the opposite. I think everybody cares for a lot different reasons. He has never been proven to have taken steroids, knowingly or not. Just because somebody is looking for publicity and writes it in a book doesn't make it true. Hell I look to get people wound up on these realms with some pretty far out accuasations just to get a response. That doesn't mean any of what I say has any truth to it.

I think another reason people care so much is that he is about to pass the greatest baseball player of all time, according to almost anybody who has ever followed baseball. I don't think people would care half as much if Hank Aaron was 2nd and Ruth was 1st (assuming he never passes Aaron).

I also believe it is possible to get as big as he's gotten physically by taking other substances that do not include illegal drugs. Now I don't know much about dietary medicine, but I've seen people gain lots of weight and muscle with legal substances on a much lower level of competition. Is this the case? Who knows, but we can't jump to the conclusion that just because he got huge means he was taking steroids.

So this is not labeled SPAM I might has well wrap up with a comparison to Roy in here. Roy was also at the top of VS for quite awhile with the best constructed rating. He was also accused of cheating for a long time, but with no proof. He finally slipped up and what everybody was saying was proven. This is the same way with Bonds. Until he slips up or is proven guilty I don't think we can label him a cheat.

Then you are saying Hans is a cheater because he was caught.