Does Darq have a vote?

Lock or Antispawn can be an NPC or the final suicider is a Lock/Antispawn combo

As I explained earlier, I do not have an info gathering power.

Second, I have been talking about the Suiciders all day. To say that I'm not is disingenuous at best, super scummy at worst.

But for everyone, I'll sum up what I think.

JoH
- Is Inferno
- Final member of the Brood
- Cannot or Does not NK, either through power restriction or a Stranger rule
- Claims to be traitor is not
- Lowers threshold by 3 and has a double misdirect

Captain Nifty
- Claims Bullet Bill. Character does not show up in write up
- Most likely the final Suicider. Either Anti Spawn, Lock, or a duo character of the 2.
- Claims Pusher. and has mostly targeted JoH. JoH disputes this.

Here's the thing. I am not trying to protect CaptainNifty as JoH is trying to sell to you all. I'm certain both are scum. But JoH is the more dangerous out of the two. He is a double misdirector and lawyer. I do not think it's worth the risk of having someone who can screw around at night, to this extent, late game.

The best plan for the town is to get rid of JoH, and then the unimpeded vig can take out Nifty. And at that point it should be a town win since all of the mafia members are dead.

Fair enough. But would I really stop using my powers and claim if I wasn't a good guy?

Go read my conversation with Reaper. I hate the Brood. I'm against Desperado and Wineskin, leaders of the Brood. I've been secretly freeing people like Reaper from the Brood. I've been plotting against the Brood (mafia) with the intention to team up with Reaper (town) and kill the Brood (mafia).

I'm a traitor, plain as day.

Yes,

If you thought it would give you a win.

You could say that about a lot of players. We're all mean and deceitful like that.

And the rest of it? How the writeup backs my story completely?

Thank you.

Yeah, I see that now. Thank you as well.

With all of this.

Vote: Darkstone

I am willing to buy that JoH is a traitor.

I have not appeared in the write-up, and I will not dispute that.

To respond to a statement made by Darkstone. The way I read it I target a character to push in front of another character. I have never pushed JoH.

I still would like to know why JoH didn't say I was wrong on Night 3, when he had info that would clear Calmnic.

This - this right here - is the main reason I'm holding off on voting for you. The writeup is pretty dang hard to argue with.

Can someone, just for the sake of clarification, spell out for me how exactly the Mafia Traitor role works?

I mistyped, you were pushing others in front of JoH

This is assuming there is only on Suicider left. That would mean a three-person-mafia and a four-person-mafia-with-traitor. I think that's low. I think both LockNLoad and Anti-Spawn are here, meaning that lynching and vigging both Suiciders means we would know if JoH is lying tomorrow.

For what it's worth, my role PM indicates that the Broods spells wore off of me and that they are hunting me, not that I was freed from Brood control.

Not sure how that's relevant, as the writeup has been fairly explicit, but just including the information available to me.

To be fair, it is not often that a mafia is allowed to forego killing. So there is already something funny going on even if JoH isn't being on the level with us. Him opting to lie make a power play to try and whittle down the town through lynches doesn't seem to be something a moderator would allow a mafia to do.

Sure, I'll dispute that as well

Here's how you summed it up

This is not exactly what happened last night. The way I see it, you

- Met with Reaper
- Stated you wanted to kill the King and Queen
- State that you also want to kill the suiciders
- Commanded Reaper to find and kill them.

You did not once state that you hate the Brood. You also did not free people, you freed one person. You also stated no intention to team up, you are essentially paying someone to do a job. You may be a traitor to the Brood in the story but that does not necessarily translate to game mechanics.

I remain firm that you are no traitor (game wise), and that should you win by eliminating the Suiciders and town, the game would end with Inferno killing the NPC's Desperado and Wineskin and him ending up the new King of Battle Planet.

Sometimes mafia doesn't have to kill. It varies by mod.

Here's another thought. JoH is Desperado and Inferno is there for flavor.

Inferno has not appeared before now and has not made a kill. And if JoH were a traitor, why is the write-up from last night and not the night before when his last teammate died.

I am thinking JoH, Nifty, and Darkstone all need to go and I will vote for any of them. Just thinking JoH would be a smart lynch today for the reasons I stated earlier.

Yeah, read the day six writeup. Inferno executes the chosen lynch in the arena. And based on that train, Lock and Spawn should have at least appeared.

I think JoH tried a gambit here and is trying to bide his time. Given his power set and my trust level here, I say he goes.

We did have a fair amount of neutrals and a possible mason possibility. I am also feeling that Nifty is an Anti-spawn/LocknLoad combo so their may be a multiple life situation that could make up for the lower numbers.

Interesting to note. Possibly shows the meet up between you and JoH as more flavor text then anything else.

Stranger has shown that he likes to experiment with how he runs his games... which is why I keep playing them. Anything is possible.