This is one of those ruling that I think no amount of over-analyzing (and boy do I mean OVER) will ever garner a change. The rules deputies seem to be in agreement on how it works. I don't see a ruling change for this coming up anytime soon. In this case, I actually do agree with the interpretation and it makes sense to me from a rules standpoint.

You other guys can feel free to keep adding more posts to the thread, though.

Yes, but using the same logic she would not be adjacent to any characters in those squares.

The rules define that adjacent characters are characters that occupy adjacent squares. Therefore the squares they occupy must be adjacent for them to be adjacent as far as the rules are concerned.

Could you elaborate why, according to your view, Poison Ivy's adjacency to a square means she's also adjacent to the character in that square?

So how does line of fire work for Poison Ivy? Can she start counting from her square, follow a path through her plant, and then reach a character near her plant (but not adjacent) with a ranged attack? If so, how do you draw that disjointed line?

Assuming that she gains range to do ranged attacks she would not be able to target characters that she considers adjacent regardless of location on the map unless she also gains sharpshooter or something equivalent.

The Counting Squares and Drawing LoF is its own stipulation within the power. It has nothing to do with her counting squares as adjacent to her.

Okay, my example was not overly clear, I guess. Let's say she picks up Doc Ock Arms to gain a range of 4 (quoting the arms is unnecessary, so not goin to bother.

O = empty square
P = Poison Ivy
p = plant
E = enemy
W = Wall

OOOOOOOWOOOOOOOOOOOOOEO
OOOOOOOWOOOOOOOOOpOOOOO
OOPOOOOWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Can Ivy draw line of fire to that opposing character? Is she within range? Which squares does this line of fire cross?

I agree completely. The Oranges seem to be in agreement over a power that is intended to be taken at face value and have stated how the one way adjacency will be ruled officially. Players and their Judges can choose to follow the Orange ruling (which I will until they decide otherwise)...or not.

You would start drawing Line of Fire from the plant.

Poison Ivy can draw lines of fire and count range and squares from the square of any single Plant object.

Strangely my questions were not address:

Also, her "considers squares adjacent to or occupied by Plant objects as adjacent to her" you say cannot attack with the plant object, but can they poison her through the plant object as that is not an attack? I guess in a way this has as it is a one-way adjacency with Poison Ivy so the answer is no.

But this question has not:
It seems that Control Over All Vegetation has no LOF or range (unless otherwise noted). So except for Accelerate Growth, can I do any of these powers across the map? Or since it is not mention with these other powers I am to assume that since no LoF or range is needed.

Indeed. Hoorah.

Sometimes I think so also.



Should this fig's powers hinder her in the way that some people think?

I don't think so.
Not for almost 100 points.
Hopefully Game Design will be made aware of the situation
and they will change the wording.

Maybe make being considered adjacent optional?

Yes, you can.

As for the adjacency, here's the opponent's point of view.

X, Y, Z being three squares in a row
X= opponent
Y= square adjacent to opponent
Z= square after that

XYZ

X is adjacent to Y, Y is adjacent to Z, Z is not adjacent to X

character adjacency is determined by squares occupied, not squares considered adjacent. Poison Ivy can "extend", if you want to see it that way, which squares she considers adjacent, but not the squares she occupies. Break Away considers squares adjacent to the opponent, who are occupied by you, according to the 2012 Rule Book (not the Player's Guide, I was referencing the wrong book, however the Player's Guide mentions absolutely nothing on Break Away) Page 8, under Breaking Away, in the first paragraph. As follows:

In this sentence, it clearly states that the subject for determining if a character requires breakaway is "a square adjacent to one or more opposing characters", if it said "If an opponent is adjacent to this character" then it would be the other way, because then the subject is "this character", but as it stands the subject of this sentence is the "squares adjacent to the opponent", which is the same reason that you cannot receive poison damage from an opponent adjacent to one of your plant tokens, they're not adjacent to you. But you are adjacent to them, because the square they occupy is adjacent to you.

Direct quotation from the Official company published rule book, interpretation based on English grammatical structure and sentence composition, and real life example. Give me this in a counter-argument without any leaps in logic or unjustified conclusions and I swear I will stop arguing this piece.

Since no one on the side of "adjacency between characters doesn't extend to their squares" can explain why Poison Ivy's adjacency to another character's square extends her adjacency the character in that square, yet doesn't extend adjacency of the square she occupies to the other character, I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to say once and for all that your argument just doesn't work.

Either you accept that adjacency of characters and squares is interchangeable (which is how it's being ruled), or you continue to claim that the rules are so carefully written that adjacency only exists between the exact things the rules say they do. In this case, Poison Ivy only has adjacency to the squares in and around her plants, not to characters in those squares.

There have been no rules cited that support any in-between argument, so to continue to try and make that argument without any sort of support is completely counter-productive and pointless.

The official correct ruling is that Poison Ivy can use Poison, Support, Defend and make Close Combat Attacks through her plants.

Additional game effects for this adjacency include the ability to move to any square in or adjacent to a plant object, the requirement that if any opposing character is in or adjacent to a Plant object, she must make a break away roll, and in that case she also cannot use Support.

Other characters cannot reciprocate on these things through her plants. So she isn't vulnerable to Poison or attacks through her plants.

Yes.

Accelerate Growth can be done within 5 squares of her or any existing Plant object.

Sprout a Mighty Oak can be done with any Plant object, as long as the square the object is in isn't occupied by something, such as a character, that would prevent blocking terrain from being placed.

Reclaim the Land can be done with any Plant object on the map.

Entanglements looks like it applies to all Plant objects on the map, as long as an opposing character is adjacent to it. Note that characters occupying the same square as the Plant object is safe.