I would rather they have gotten him than Bradford. But they might have decided that dealing with Kluwe was enough. Typical.

Neither is worth a 1st round pick. Shaun Hill was serviceable, they shoulda just stuck with him.

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I mean, acquiring Bradford isn't an awful idea, but... eesh.

Hopefully this isn't because of new concerns/info about Bridgewater coming back from his injury...

Eh...more than likely it would be something boring like be the 15th or 20th pick, Vikings aren't bad enough for it to matter and not good enough for Bradford to help. If Bradford stays healthy they could make a WC I guess with that defense.

With the current premium on QB's right now and Bradford's contract for the next few years being cheaper than other comp QB's (Eagles still have to pay half of his contract this year since the majority of his 1st year money came from the signing bonus) the value actually seems about right depending on the 2nd pick they have to give up. If it's anything in the first 3 rounds it's too much.

EDIT: It's a 4th round pick...seems like both teams won...you Vikings fans need to chill out bros. Bradford is better than Bridgewater anyway and infinity times better than Shaun Hill who can't throw a 5 yard out anymore. He just has to handle the learning curve of his 76th new offense in 5 years.

Wait are we talking about the same cancerous whiny Sam Bradford who "demanded" a trade when his team had the nerve to draft a QB? That guy?

I fully expect him to throw a massive tantrum at some point next off-season if the Vikings still want to go with Teddy.

He's a drama generator, which the Vikings Do Not Need. I'd rather have Shaun Hill and go 8-8 this year.

Yup. Reminiscent of Cutler ending up in Chicago. Still, Bradford is better than Hill. He can also throw downfield. If he can get other teams to not load the box, I will be happy. Sort of. The first round pick was too much. Second rounder maybe. Third rounder with the escalating pick seems right.

How do you figure?

Looking at last year (stats from Football Outsider/ESPN):
DYAR / DVOA / QBR
Bradford: 107 / -8.2% / 41.8
Bridgewater: 187 / -5.1% / 62.7

Bridgewater is already better across the board and this is only year two (Bradford's year 2 was... awful). Plus Bridgewater is decent at making plays with his feet, while Bradford is one of the worst in the league.

Sure, he's better than Hill... except he's got to adjust to a new team and offense without going through camp with them at all. That probably wipes out most, if not all, of that advantage.

*shrug* mostly this reminds me of the Cowboys trading for Cassel last year - sure, he probably had more talent than Weeden but coming into the team halfway through the year vs being there the whole time meant the field upgrade wasn't really there. And what was the upshot, an outside chance at getting waxed in the first round of the playoffs? At least they just swapped a 5th for a 7th. Minny just gave up a 1st + 4th for that privilege.

It's a bad trade.

Don't forget Bradford's bum knee...

Oh wait...

The price is my hang-up. Looking at the trade on the surface, here's what I took away.
1. The Vikings can challenge for a Super Bowl with just a decent QB. Their defense is good enough.
2. Hill is not good enough but Bradford might be. I don't put a lot of stock in Bradford's stuff last year as Philly was crap.
3. This is the biggie. Bridgewater's best case scenario has him ready for next year's training camp. We needed someone while the window is still open for AP. If Bridgewater can't go, we've got an established veteran who is better than anyone on the open market.

I just hate the price. I would have been fine with a 3rd rounder plus the escalating pick. Not a first rounder.

And Bridgewater did all that on a better team a better run game and a better defense. He had that and was only marginally better than Bradford essentially tied as the 10th best QB in the league. Also you're mistaking talent for production.

The price is apt...you're not going to get a top 10 QB for 3rd rounder it's ludicrous to think you will. Carson Wentz isn't a first round talent let alone number 2 overall, Brock Osweiler isn't worth 15 mil a year...but the market dictates that they are, so they are worth that much. On top of that he's a solid starter at literally half the cost of other QBs....he's just going to have more impact than any 24th pick the Vikings have.

As for that cancerous crap, I can say with a lot of confidence that none of us know what a cancerous or positive presence in a pro locker room is...I can say from my time in locker rooms I college and high school...players are on the side of players the majority of the time, in the end though another person's conflict with the staff never once had any impact on my preparation...so saying he's a cancer is probably something you heard from ESPN and has 0 validity as actual fact.

To me though it's a little ironic that logic coming from a Vikings fan, because if we really want to talk about cancerous presences in the locker room, it seems to me that a guy who gives 5 year olds concussions and then holds his team hostage and demanded a trade of his own is more disruptive than a guy who wants out of situation where ownership has made a crap ton of mistakes. But he's not really that disruptive cus they won a playoff game, proving once again none of that crap matters.

Top 10?!? What? Right now they're both average at best. All those numbers ranked in the 20s, not close to top 10.

Better run game, sure, but a far worse line and comparable receivers. And the defense would tend to suppress production, not increase it. Also, it was Bridgewater's second year in the league. He should continue to improve, while Bradford likely won't.

Bradford's best two seasons were roughly average starter quality. His most recent was well below that. He has no mobility and is going to be playing behind a bad o-line. And ideally he will play this season and then never again.

Best case scenario, Bradford is a league average starter, Peterson barely declines, Diggs is the real deal, and the defense takes another step to be a top 3 unit. All that happens, and... the Vikings are still probably 3-4 best team in the NFL (Seattle, Arizona, maybe GB). In that case, sure, Bradford is probably worth the 1st and next year's 2nd (although it presents a problem next year...)

However, if Bradford is closer to what he was last year, or Peterson starts feeling the mileage, or the defense stays pretty good but doesn't make the top 3 jump... the Vikes are fighting for a WC spot without much of a chance at the title. But... they still owe a 1st and a 4th.

Tl;dr version: the Vikings paid for the best case. If it works out, great. If it doesn't, they take it in the shorts. That's generally not a formula for good trades.

(And I'm not a Viking fan at all...)

Sorry to divert for a moment but I wanted to apologize to everyone for missing the draft. Embarrassing and not respectful to the rest of you, though unintentional. Just...yeah.

Though whomever has Emmanuel Sanders and the Broncos D are probably just fine with that.

Of course it isn't fact. The dude does not literally cause cancer, lol.

You didn't see the Seattle player who ripped Bradford for signing a 40 million dollar 2 year deal, and demanding a trade a month later upon learning that his team was going to draft a QB? You don't think that Seattle player represents at least a portion of the locker room on Bradford's old team? You don't think that some guys are going, "wow, this dude is placing his pride over the team" when he demanded a trade? You don't think that could brew discontent and dislike?

You don't think that stunt had anything to do with him being traded? Philly couldn't unload the guy fast enough. They just got fortunate they found a team with enough desperation to pay the steep price Minnesota paid.

Please don't insult my intelligence by suggesting I said something because I heard it on ESPN. I probably actually just read it on the internet like the rest of us idiots...

With the injuries last year they were near the top 10 in production. Top 15 is probably where their true value lies.

Everyone takes it in the shorts if their trades don't point out, regardless of how people view it before hand...if you trade for a guy and he dogs it or gets injured that happens...the current value is the only way you can judge the trade...and current value, the market being what it is, is a solid trade for both sides. The if it goes badly counter, doesn't really make much sense...cus it's the case for every trade. If that conditional pick goes into the 3rd round, then yeah perhaps it's too much.

Here's a perfect example...Indianapolis about 4 years ago traded away a first round draft pick to the Browns for Trent Richardson...that first round draft pick turned out to be Johnny Manziel...who won the trade? I can tell you at the time both sides thought they won that trade. They traded for best case scenario and both got worst case scenario.