A very good looking design, this Skadi VTOL. But since people have been complaining about the dominance of VTOLs in the current 'metagame', I guess the whole move&shoot-thing that VTOLs have will be nerfed soon.

Are people forgetting that AntiP can't be used on a move shoot?

They look good but I hope they don't have too good of attack values.

Since when did that ruling come into effect?

Well it does say on the SEC that "this units ranged attack does damage to the target and all infantry in base".

Move and shoot counts as a ranged attack.



AnP can be used on the Move and Shoot.

Yet IT can not, sort of stupid don't you think?

Curios, I never heard that one either. Where did you get that one from??

It's true, though. IT specifically says it can only be used with a "Ranged Combat *Order*". Therefore, IT cannot be used on a VTOL move-and-shoot (which is a *Move* Order that results in a ranged combat *attack*). Odd, yes, but true.

Streaks are the same way. AP and AnP work fine on move-shoot, though.

-Nick

Here we are trying to make sence of the "rules" again.

move and shoot is NOT a ranged combat order. it is an attack made during a move order (to spend speed points, you must give a move order). you can't use non-speed SEs during scoot'n'shoot.

Yes you can. You make a ranged combat ATTACK as part of the move ORDER. The SE will specifically state if it used during a ranged combat ATTACK or a ranged combat ORDER. If it can be used during an ATTACK, it can be used during move and shoot. If it can only be used during an ORDER, it cannot.

Funny. Looks like WizKids one day decided to make this game less easy to play by adding such nice little elements to the rules. I'm actually learning something new here about what VTOLs can and can't do, which probably also comes because I don't play choppers much. Problem is that I'm pretty certain that many players don't think twice about the difference between a move&shoot- and a ranged combat order.

Of course this problem wouldn't exist if VTOLs would perform ranged combat orders just like every other unit in the game.

What a wonderfully cool sculpt. Vic, if you are reading, that is really awesome work.

I hope that if you get the chance to work on some Falcon's Prey Desktop Backgrounds, you find some way to include this unit.

I have to say I like the looks of these sculpts. If memory serves and you have to do damage with TSEMP (in addition to being unable to use it on shoot/scoot) I don't think there should be too much complaining about the JF one with this wonderful little ability.

Here, here. :p