Then explain Noh-Varr, please.

Consistency. It was determined that "as you reveal your force" was too vague and that keyword effects should kick in either "during force constructin", in which case it would determine theme team status, or "at the start of the game",in which case it would not determine theme team status. Noh-Varr fit in neither category, so it was determined that "at the start of the game" was the better option. The fact that he is Golden Age only did play a part in that decision.

Well, thanks for the answer. Now I know the designers are in fact, absolutely irrevocably retarded.

So is Gandalf

Yes, but Gandalf and Nightwing were designed to work the same way, so they got the same errata.

i don't believe this. It makes no since for them to be written thay way, and be who they are, and nto work that why. Why would they make a Gandalf that can't be on a dwarf team?

The fact that he is Golden Age only did play a part in that decision.[/quote]


this shouldnt be a reason for a change.

i understand that when changing something you would have to look at pieces with similar powers to make sure things are consistant.

i am also i willing to undersatnd that you oranges may not have any say when discussing issues with GD.

i think the sticking point is that we have 3 pieces with traits that made sense, worked well, that werent abusive, and were changed for no reason killing 2 pieces usability because of the drastic change made to them and 1 piece, that has been played the same way for 2 years, made incredibly stronger for no reason other then that he was golden age. its things like this that make playing this game frustrating and question if its even worth the effort playing.

I really was hoping to use Gandalf, Nightwing, and Stan Lee on my Femizons team at least once before this errata. Ahh well.

Makes no since from a flavor, theme, point of veiw that they changed gandalf..his his reason for being is to work on teams

Yeah there was such a HUGE arse problem with Neutered Wing and Gandalph being so over powered that I didn't even know that Gandalph had the same trait basically as NW since I NEVER even see Gandalph played anywhere.

I think really that the DG's were WORRIED about game ballance.

Yeah that's it-now everyone STOP laughing....oh ok, go ahead.



I think the GD's want you to use either a full Guantlet or Utility Belt on these 2
so to make them desirable again.

JUST GET RID OF KEYWORDS ALREADY-IT WAS A FAILED EXPERIMENT.

The problem with this as the only reasoning is that it means that from the outset that Nightwing was meant to not be themed with any team he's ever led, and that Gandalf was meant to not be themed with either of the teams he's been part of.

the "it's too good" argument can not be used. They never stated that as a reason. So assuming they were honest, it means as designers they can not read well, or can not think ahead well. Since the wording was clear and made since.

If this is the case (and I have no evidence to say that it's not), why doesn't Nightwing have Batman Family, Teen Titans, Outsiders, and/or Justice League as actual keywords on his card. The Trait is written in such a way that it suggest, "Nightwing just had too many keywords to try to fit on the card, so we gave him this trait instead." By errating it in an opposing fashion to all the other Traits, WizKids suggests exactly the opposite, that those keywords were left off on purpose by GD. And if that is the case, his keywords were just poorly chosen to begin with.

Likewise, but on a lesser scale, Gandalf should probably have both Thorin and Company and Fellowship for his keywords at the very least, to make up for his inability to Theme with those teams after the ruling.

Wait, I thought Nightwing's power was called "a leader on any team"? The game designers meant any team but theme teams? I am Gandalf, and game designers mean to nerf me? People don't complain because they are greedy and want probs so bad. They want to be able to make mods for characters that won't be made. For completing theme teams that are normally way short on points, and for teams that actually have NW and Gandalf in them. So we keep Ventry in Avengers, morgan le fey can stay too, but the pieces that were mediocre get nerfed.

If the power was meant for minion abilities, which of either of those figures have minions? I totally remember all those Teen Titan bots and those Dwarven contructs *sarcasm*. I don't think any of us are buying that argument. It was working as intended, now its just created problems and confusion especially to new players.