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Ahahah! I don't even own a BLS. I don't want one, it's not that great. At least I can back up what I say and not go around calling people newbs because they can't respond.
Wow. It's used because people belive it's good. The fact is, though, it's not. I've posted plenty.
Just stop flaming people. You are obviously looking bad.
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Zelda D. Lord
Sacraficing BLS, for what? If no removal is done to the BLS, what'll happen with the DMoC? Same thing, really. The odds and probabilty of it happenign dont' warrant, and having heavy storm in the grave isn't the greatest of likelihoods. Also, who says Torrential won't trigger when BLS is summoned.
Also, DMoC is just as big of a drawback monster - double tributes.
I'm really gettin' tired guys, GIVE ME A BREAK FOR TODAY!
lol I wasnt really flaming... go ahead and report the post, that just makes you look bad cuz you cant handle a debate or any criticism... and I think your just crying because your wrong. :). CHEERIO! lol..
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I wouldn't bring Magic into this. What you fail to realize is that in Magic, Affinity HAD support. TONS OF IT. They had to ban each and every card to shut it down - Disciple, Clamp, AND ALL THE ARTY LANDS. That's HUGE man. Affinity is hurt, if not dead now. You can't compare yugioh to magic, never.
It's not the same, though. Here's what you need to see - That search for numerous lights and darks doesn't do well, because there is LITTLE SUPPORT, IF any at all. I already explained why the most used, possibly the best, support for it aren't great at all. Check there.
Pot isn't a deck-based card. That's something that works in every deck.
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GOD. I would really really stop using the argument that you wait. If you wait, you lose. Simply put. I'm not going to answer again, it's a horrible point. If I waited to play Pot of Greed, would I get advantage?
No, I'm not seeing what you're saying. Did people wait to drop Raigeki? Or did they use it when they needed the removal? Say you need the removal from BLS, but are afraid of the f/d spell/trap. Most duelists won't summon, no? Yea, turns point there.
As for the graveyard, if what you're saying is good then BLS should be a deck focused around the graveyard. I rarely see that, IF ever. That'd drop support even more to your definition of the graveyard. It's a game in it's own - It's unrecognized by most, however.
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You won't KEEP advantage if you hold BLS, though. You keep saying, oh, it'll be ok if it's destroyed, it's ok, you'll have advantage. From what? If you're afraid to drop it and are just holding it, when are you going to gain that advantage? I'll keep on card down as a bluff and procede to overwhelm in 1-3 turns. Have fun keeping advantage if you're afraid to drop your only win condition.
Premature is a good top anytime with monsters. However, removing with BLS severly limits the use of it. Anotehr thing people fail to realize.
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Ok, so you're going to just put a BLS into an Archfiend deck and HOPE it works?
How good is Desrook, honestly? Not very, and would it see the actual Archfiend competition decks? Nope. Would you ever PLAY Archfiend? No, and why? There's lack of support, and when you try to splash somethign with less support, BLS, you're just hurting yourself even more.
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It's not meaningless. If you go back to traditional, most people only played Chaos Emperor. That's a fact, they realized playing both hurt and was even slower. Black Luster didn't see NEARLY as much play.
Everything has restrictions, under that argument then. Including BLS?
I didn't criticize the list, btw. I was merely stating things can and will be replaced, leading to more whining.
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AHAHAH! Dude, that's all BLS does. It blows monsters away. Does it break it though? Nah, it's not broken. Too many drawbacks too it. Too much removal in the format for it to be 100% effective, and waiting to drop it will lead to being rushed. Simple as that.
Everything in a monster? I'd rather have a summon-stopper, personally. Something like Light/Last Warrior is better, IMO.
Late game is wrong. If the late game, as to what you're refering to, is entered, people are top decking, and it's just a dumb race to see who can get a card that'll do something first. Relying on BLS is just plain retarded. Stalling back and forth is nothing and just prolongs games. I've seen games, where people just bat away with each other, stalling right, and what not. Four turns later, it's over, they both had 3+ card hands. That's just how it went. Cards flew everywhere. Simple.
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Treykura, you were flaming. You straight up called me a newb. Trust me, I debate for school. I know what debate and criticism is. Do you? No. Trust me, you can't handle debate at all. You're being normative. If you would like me to post the evidence supporting it, I'll turn it to where you look like a racist.
Don't flame. Period. You're just trying to act cool and trying to make me look dumb. Newsflash, I handle that kind of crap every day. It's old.
And crying? Nah. Just hate people who think they know everything and call people names to try to sound tough. I don't even see how I'm wrong. I've supported myself, what have you done? Not called yourself a newb? Wow, just wow. You made bad assumptions, buddy. I would think before you post.
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Lily Dude: I don't even get why you think BLS isn't broken. You start to give alot of vague descriptions and situations on how BLS isn't broken. Comparing the Universal Staples to BLS is absolutely absurd (maybe Delinquent, its annoying) because the Universal Staples are usuable at any phase of play, but it isn't broken, you wouldn't here me say "If that person hasnt played Pot of Greed, I would've won" because it wouldn't put you in a bad situation whereas BLS can. I can agree on one thing. BLS alone won't win you the game, but it can screw up your strategy. Im not a good debater but I wanna hear what you think
Please if must post your agurments do it in white my eyes can't take it. Anyways When they release BLS in master collection 2 you may actually eat your words because everyone will run it. People run things because they are broken. Look at card of sanctity it has a very broken effect on the show yet here it has a major cost to it. The only cost is to remove one dark/light. If that is not a ridiculously easy summoning requirement I do not know what it is. Aside from playing premature burial and coth. There are only about some cards in the game that allow for outright monster destruction and there is no possible way to be prepared all the time for it. Look at his counterpart with 2300 he is a lot more balanced in the game. Also with the fact that he can attack twice in a turn is just deadly to a person. If someone has played scapegoat and the person with BLS gave him a trampling ability that is doing 6000 thousand damage in a turn. Also with direct damage destroy one monster with then do 3000 more damage points is not very nice. Monster removal you seem to imply that we have to remove are own monsters to which is wrong. Think if a person had a continous NOC on the field and it would be used once a turn that would be broken and yet someone can remove a monster from play it face mode which NOC can't do. Also if a person has a 6000 thousand attack great maju garzette on the field people will opt for the removal factor to get rid of it. Even if it last one turn it can reck a strategy greatly. People may also want to protect it for a bit. It offers no restrictions to summoning because a person can get up to 3 monsters pretty easily in one turn. What other people say that premature burial can be a bad topdeck because all of there monsters that actually may stand a chance against it got removed because of some technicallity. Think if you got a and people forgive me for this but if you got a BEUD out on the field it probably was very hardwork to get it out there right and for something with less attack points uses it remove from play ability it is just not right. Complete amatuers can win local tounements because they have this card in there deck. Yes it does take skill to use it correctly, but sometimes you do not need the skill at all. It is supposed to be the best top deck in the current meta right now. It is not a staple for every deck however but people put it into their decks even though it does not fit the theme. If BLS is not a broken monster please pray tell enlighten us with your knowledge and tell us what is. Remember we probably can find something wrong with any monster that you would choose. Every monster has something wrong with it like CED it blows up your side of the field to. Yata can create an almost unbreakable lock, but if an oppenet has sinister serpant in the graveyard put it into their hand it can break the lock. That is enough of this rant because I have an 8:00 class tomorrow morning.
lilly- you know what? Take this arguement. Seriously. You can keep going. I'm done, as it's apparent to me that you're not going to accept anyone's opinions or logic. =/
my opinion still stands that BLS needs to be banned.
Whiners court is in sessioin again. This really gets old after awhile. Is BLS a very powerful card..absolutely....should it be banned....ABSOLUTELY NOT
BLS needs to stay in the game because it represents an alternate win condition, by this I mean that you can design a deck so that it chews through your deck to arrive at BLS since this card can win the game for you.
BLS is very powerful, but you can defend against it...unlike CED and Yata it sticks around on the field and if vulnerable because of it.
The people I meet who are usually crying about BLS being a "card for newbs" and cryiing about losing to the card all the time are usually not very good duelists to begin with.
Now I have won many duels with BLS, and I know how powerful it is. But if you are getting beat by this card all the time, then I think the problem is more with you than the card.
I can honestly say I have beaten my opponents with their own BLS about as many times as they have beaten me with it. Most of the time their BLS just dies or get removed from the game.
BLS causes people so many problems because they have poor card management skills,if you don't overextend yourself and always keep a few cards back which can neutralize your opponents major threats, then BLS would not be such a problem.
It seems people will not be happy until control decks are completely removed from the game and we return to the days of pure beatdown decks. It seems people want to be able to just randomly throw their cards on the field and be able to win.
Bottomline, if you are losing to BLS alot.This is more of a reflection on how you sux rather than on how broken BLS is.
lmao@ mtruitt and lily... both of you people probably play MTG which would explain alot of your logic on defending bls seeing as how mtg is the broken card king.... anyways... BLS is RETARDED and should be burned...
and mtruitt you say I have no skill? Just because Ive lost to luster?
Well its kinda funny that the only card in my opponents deck when they are losing horribly to me is BLS and it comes out and just wins them the game in like one turn..... and even if you do kill it... go look at the other guys post who killed it like 4 times in a row...
PREMATURE BURIAL
CALL OF THE HAUNTED
WARRIOR RETURNING ALIVE
MONSTER REINCARNATION
whoa look Luster just wont stop coming back! See... even if you get rid of him... they are going to get him back... only sure fire way is if your lucky enough to snatch him and remove himself from the game... however... most of the time whatever you try to do to him... they will have a answer for... pretty retarded if you ask me.
They will back him up with their traps and spells and keep him alive at all costs... and as if he wasnt broken enough... he can come back from the graveyard as much as he wants! WOW! Now thats pretty retarded... just like all your points on why he isnt broken!
Even if you have a monster that runs over luster like kinetic soldier... heres what happens... you kill it... they bring it back and remove your monster from the game.... see how that works! Than it starts coming down to top decks and you top deck a flip effect monster and lose.... see!!!!!!!! wow... luster should be burned!
ALright Im done arguing with people who obviously cant win a duel with out BLS.... when ya actually get some SKILL let me know.
mtruitt nothing could be further from the truth! I run control and I run BLS-EOTB and I win 99% of the time but not because of BLS-EOTB (I've gone entire tournaments and not summoned him once!) People don't want it banned just because they lose to it! Some of us look at the big picture!
Control DOES NOT EQUAL BLS-EOTB! not even remotely in fact he is one of the few cards that WEAKENS Control as he allows an opponent to top deck an awesome advantage!
First off, mtruitt, I give no credit to your post whatsoever. You claim that if a certain card consistently beats you, then you obviously possess no talent. I'm not quite sure why you think that statement is true, or if you even have any facts to back it up. So please understand that I can not give any credit to that generalization and it completely lacks any validity. I encourage everyone to completely ignore mtruitt's post. (No, this is not flaming. If you take it that way, I apologize in advance. Just understand that it is a fact that your argument lacks any facts, and therefore lacks validity.)
lilly-dude:
First off, I don't mean to sound rude, but the fact that you are a debate student means nothing in this context. All it means is that you may be able to present your arguments more clearly. It does not mean that they are more valid or more correct. (I was a debate student when I was in high school as well. This will be the only time you see my mentioning that, as it does not affect the validity of my arguments.)
Now you need to understand that different people's metagames are, well, different. I play in an extremely competitive environment (if you look at UDE's ratings page, the majority of the top 10 or 15 players in the state of Florida are from my home store, Comic Connection *end shameless plug*), and BLS certainly dominates the metagame. You give examples of Solemn Judgment and Horn of Heaven, and I will not argue with their ability to negate BLS. However, I do know that those cards see hardly any play in truly competitive decks.
Basically, it comes down to this. I disagree with you because I see how this card changes, and wins, many games like no other. You disagree with me because you don't see it changing and winning a lot of games moreso than other cards. Therefore, you and I will most likely never come to an agreement because we witness the card being used differently in our seperate metagames.
Basically, I'm willing to agree to disagree since I don't believe any agreement can be made on the issue of whether or not Soldier should be banned. Obviously, I believe it should be. You believe it shouldn't. That's all.
As I've taken a walk to clear my head, the one statement that continously comes into my head is the one that makes Luster broken in my mind. No monster sence Fiber and CED has the ability to change the game quite as consistantly and swiftly as BLS does.
Lily, your posts are well written, but you're still sticking to the Chaos doctrine.
1) He's really vulnerable to m/t cards.
2) Light and dark is hard without painful and two extra DDWL.
3) I dont always get him on the field.
4) You're just jelous because you cant get one.
5) But Card X, when not killed by my card a, b, or c, can kill luster no problem!
6) If he were banned, you'd just complain about some other card.
7) But I usualy dont even attack with him!
8) But he has a cost!
I just dropped into this game..with losing fascination for magic and inuyasha just not having enough big tourney support...i thought jeez why not take a long at this game. I went and looked at metagame and saw the deck that won the shonen jump tournet and decided to build it. A little trading here and there and I had the deck.From a newbie to this game(not new to tcg or ccgs though played magic since beta)..i have to say the card is awesome, but its limit one per. I agree with the guy that most of the decks have ways to deal with him..bottomless trap hole???..removes him from game right...dd warrior lady? he's gone there as well. Now i have had fun with him...eot scapegoat on opp..turn.....summon luster..united we stand ..that's a lot of goodnes...?(by the way that works right?) it was funnier though attacking with a 3200 goat . All game have broken cards...r&d rarely makes a set without them, the trick is just to find ways to kill it...wouldn't divine wrath get him? Soon as they try and remove your creature ,flip divine wrath, discard your sinister serpent..bye bye luster. Goat token...thousand eye restrict...take luster...yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.(does that work)...Ok enough rambling i say..let him live..if you know what you are playing against...YOU should have the advantage. Bring your luster to the table..when you keep staring at your graveyard..i think i can figure something is up. My vote for banned..magician of faith....i graceful charity 3 times in the finals of a local tourney...now that 's wrong.
Everyone has been on magician of faith's case lately, and I'm starting to think a new duelist's court may be necisary. I'd be in her defence of course.
I belive this case may be coming to a close on time. If I have time tonight I'll ask nataku to go over the posts, and see what he thinks is appropriate.
In a closing arguement, why are you using BLS lily? It sounds to me like he's seen so scarecely, that something else, something more searchable would be better suited for your deck. Do you run a sangan? If so, try morphing jar 2, or maybe even a cyber jar if you dont run one. Run an additional Assailant, or even a newdoria if you run tomatoes. If your deck wins 99% of your games without its help, then its obviously slowing you down. Granted, its almost never a dead draw, but without its ability to be searced out dedicatedly, it may not be the card for you. Like it or not, you may not need him any more.
I've converted so many away from chaos, why not see what we all see? If even drones are saying its overpowered, why cling to it?
As I've taken a walk to clear my head, the one statement that continously comes into my head is the one that makes Luster broken in my mind. No monster sence Fiber and CED has the ability to change the game quite as consistantly and swiftly as BLS does.
Lily, your posts are well written, but you're still sticking to the Chaos doctrine.
1) He's really vulnerable to m/t cards.
2) Light and dark is hard without painful and two extra DDWL.
3) I dont always get him on the field.
4) You're just jelous because you cant get one.
5) But Card X, when not killed by my card a, b, or c, can kill luster no problem!
6) If he were banned, you'd just complain about some other card.
7) But I usualy dont even attack with him!
8) But he has a cost!
Hallelujah Brother, Hallelujah! Testify! The truth will set us free! :grin: