Poked through some other posts on this and was confused about something. Other posts say you cannot PW a Stealthed character, but since PW is supposed to ignore all TA's and Powers and Abilities, doesn't it ignore stealth? So, you SHOULD be able to target someone with Stealth(who's in hindering terrain), right?
Thanks!

Exactly, Pulse Wave ignores all Powers and Team Abilities. It does not ignore terrain, so you can gain the +1 bonus to DV from hindering terrain, but Stealth (and all other Powers) can't help a figure if it is in range of the Pulse Wave.

so if you had a fig behind a wall,and some one set off a pulse wave,you can be protected from pulse wave...right?......and what about if a fig is behind a terrain object,like a rock or something,can you still be protected?................

Thanks

You can't draw a LOF through blocking terrain, so yes, hiding behind a wall would protect a figure from Pulse Wave. Also, objects/hindering terrain still provide the +1 bonus to DV against ranged attacks.

Pulse Wave ignores Powers and Team Abilities, *not* terrain.

But to pulsewave a stealthed figure in hindering terrain, you would have to see it first, no? Can you just trigger pulsewave without a viable target, and then do damage to hidden figures who are in blast radius?

I understand that PulseWave ignores powers and TA's, but that happens AFTER you attack - and you cant attack if you cant see them. Or is it something you just 'set off' and try to hit everyone in radius? I thought you needed a viable target to make a ranged attack (according to rules).

He has a point, that I've been wondering about, but, from the Universe PAC (emphasis mine):

Give this character a ranged combat action. Reduce its range value by
half. Draw lines of fi re to every character (friendly and opposing) within range in every direction. This attack
ignores all team abilities and powers and abilities possessed by characters within range. These lines of fi re
are not blocked by character bases, but are affected normally by terrain. If clear lines of fi re can be drawn
to two or more characters, this character’s damage value becomes 1 for this attack; otherwise, use this
character’s normal damage value. Compare the attack roll to the defense value of each character in range;
each hit character is dealt damage.


So it doesn't say it ignores the powers and abilities of characters it can draw lines of fire to. It says that it ignores those that are within range.


It's a very sketchy rule that hopefully is one they plan to reword in the Icons PAC....

From the Universe PAC:
PULSE WAVE (optional): Give this character a ranged combat action. Reduce its range value by half. Draw lines of fire to every character (friendly and opposing) within range in every direction. This attack ignores all team abilities and powers and abilities possessed by characters within range. These lines of fire
are not blocked by character bases, but are affected normally by terrain. If clear lines of fire can be drawn to two or more characters, this character’s damage value becomes 1 for this attack; otherwise, use this character’s normal damage value. Compare the attack roll to the defense value of each character in range;
each hit character is dealt damage.

Ignoring Powers and TAs does not occur after the attack; if that were true, then why is attack roll the aboslute last thing discussed in the PAC description? Simply draw a LOF to *every* character in range and ignore all Powers and Team Abilities.

You're absolutely right about rolling at the end and ignoring powers before. BUT, my question would be: Can you initiate a ranged attack if there is no visible target. Technically the rules state for Stealth:

Any line of fire drawn to this character that crosses hindering terrain . . . is treated as though it crosses blocking terrain.

So technically there is no clear line of fire to even START the attack. But then there is that nasty bugbear about ignoring powers and TA's. it is indeed a tough one

I wish some higher-ups would rule in here. helllo?

Do you accept that you can charge a stealthed character? If so why? How could you know he's there?

You do not need a LOF to start the attack, you just give your figure a Ranged Combat Action. Nowhere, does it say you must target something first (unlike, for example, Energy Explosion, where you do need to have a primary target before you can even think about splash damage.) Then, since you do not target any specific figure with Pulse Wave, you will draw a LOF to everyone in range and ignore Powers and Team Abilities.

In fact, since you do not ever target any one specific figure, you could choose to use it anytime you like. Instead of giving a figure a zero move action, why not Pulse Wave that wall over there? Fine, go ahead. It won't actually affect the wall, but you could do it and gain a token for doing so.

And if you mean 'hair10' when saying 'higher-ups', then you are out of luck. He can no longer post on the 'realms in an official capacity. If you really want to the rules arbitator version of what we are telling you, you'll have to go to the Wizkids boards and ask the question.

I think whats hanging you up it the "target" aspect of your question. Pulse wave doesn't require a target. Its a unique rule that applies to pulse wave. Check out Wizkids under "How to play/ FAQ's"

Or you can trust normalview or BudPalmer, who both know the rules backwards and forwards.

Just remember one thing... Pulse Wave doesn't target anything, so it doesn't matter if you can't "target" a figure in Stealth. There's no need to target the figure. It's an area effect that ignores all powers and abilities... Stealth included.

Hey don't give me too much credit! I'm usually correct in my rulings but wrong on my explanations! That's what I keep Normalview, Heroclix1234 & Pyslocke'sLover around for!

Thanks to everyone for their comments on this. I really appreciate the feedback. I've been playing for several years now and sometimes still come across something that we haven't used much and need some clarification. Sometimes a headache.
One other clarification on this: I assume it doesn't matter if the PW fig is on the ground and there are some figs elevated? As long as they're within range it would hit figs whether they're elevated or not?
Thanks all!
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