Now, Don't get me wrong I am not trying to be a Negetive nancy but what about all this Powercreep?

I mean, we don't even need a "Standard format" anymore really because anything older then Supernova is purely a joke now (though you would be at risk playing anything other then HoT and Crisis at this point)


I for one dislike Power Creep, but I embrace the pieces. I have not bought a brick, but I was lucky enough to get Ultron, M-11, and Balder in my two packs. They will all be seeing alot of play.



Of course the Power Creep is not as relevant in sealed play. But I have played about 4 "Standard Games" sense then I have to say... Jeez.


I didn't even both putting Nova on Ultron. He doesn't need it. Its like bringing a rocket launcher to a knife fight.




On a side note I do think alot of the less Eye Catching figures are gonna be great "Underdogs" especially Moonstone, who for 1/2 the points basicially replaces Sinestro.


Running Shot + PB does actually shut down several of the low point super amped bricks.

Yeah, I noticed that, too.

But, what you have to look at is the set itself. It is, afterall, a God and mythological set. You can't have gods be crappy and beaten up by the likes a moloid can you?

Also, some of the older sets still have some pretty invaluable pieces that mesh well with teams from this set and others

Look at it this way...

Take a look at the original spoiled HoT stats, and then count your blessings that it could have been A LOT worse.

Sensualninja, I find you to be more of a Sensual Ninja than a Negative Nancy.

Yes, the powercreep is crazy and no, it isn't unnecessary.

Just like ShadowMark said, it is a set based on Gods. The powercreep does kind of make sense this time around. I guess we'll have to see where it goes from here.

I think that anything prior to Avengers has been obsolete for some time now, but veterans of the game regularly prove me wrong when using some older pieces.

What I noticed is that some of the new figs are extremely cost efficient. I try not to put anything over 100 points on my competitive teams (for 300 points games). There are ALOT of figs in this set that are low cost and very very effective.

Sif


Look at her


do it.


I dare you.


She took on Ragnarok Surtur for me and honestly only lost because I rolled worse then my Opp.

I utterly despise the power creep. I can understand if the some of the gods and deities are really powerful and kick ###. However, at least make them higher point totals.

In my opinion, Kelly Bonilla ruined HeroClix with her min/max idea of power gaming mentality that she beholds. She was a power gaming munchkin in MechWarrior, and we can definitely see that in this set.

But let's the take the gods and deities out of the equation, since they should be über-powerful (but much more expensive) and look at the non-gods in the set.

I'll just take a few figs, since it would take me all day to point out all the obvious ridiculously under-priced figs.

The Rookie Daredevil is way to powerful. That should be the Veteran Daredevil, and should be much more points. And he's the Rookie with the Marvel Knights keyword? What gives? That doesn't make any sense.

M-11 is a 110% pure broken figure, especially since he is not a Unique. A 500 point team of M-11's, at only 59 points each, will destroy any opposing team that that will be fielded. Fin Fang Foom may stand a chance against a 900 point M-11 Team, but I doubt it. If I want to win every single tournament I play at, I'll just show up with nothing but M-11's. Might as well not even play, just award me the prize and let me go home and save yourself the ###-whoopin'.

Take a look at the Rookie Captain America. He's 72 points. Compare that to the Rookie Armor Wars and the Rookie Ultimates Cap. They are both 72 points as well. For the same amount of points, the HoT version is far superior.

And some people claim their is a point formula. There is no point formula.

My conspiracy theory: I believe that the power creep that has been really hit us in the past few sets, and especially HoT, which isn't power creep, it's a power tsunami, is plan by WizKids to make all older sets completely obsolete so we can't use them competitively any more. If their Retirement 'scheme' doesn't work, their Power Creep 'scheme' will.

I believe it boils down the almighty dollar. They don't care about compatibility, even though they claim they do. If they truly did, their would be an actual Point Formula, and they would adhere to it.

I think this set is AS powerful, but not MORE powerful than SI or Crisis. The only advantage this set may have is the HoT end dials are a bit stronger. Once we all get a few more games under our belts we'll be able to tell how much of a difference that makes.

This is so much just an opinion. I still, to this very day, field teams comprised of Infinity Challenge, Clobberin' Time, and Xplosion figures at the the tournaments. I play against all of the newer figs from Secret Invasion, Mutations and Monsters, Arkham Asylum, etc., and I dominate many tourneys and games using just these figs.

In most cases, it's not what you choose, but how you play (your battlefield tactics), that discern a victory or not.

However, with the release of Hammer of Thor, that may be almost impossible now. With all sets we had a bit of power creep. But with HoT the term "power creep" is an understatement. It's a "power tsunami", a "power landslide", or however you want to put it.

M-11 is your only example that really holds water. Cap and Daredevil desperately needed upgrades over their previous clixcarnations. Otherwise, the Asgardians and Dieties should be monster pieces, as noted. I hate power creep as much as the next guy, but I'm going to wait until the Brave and the Bold before getting up in arms about it. As with so many criticisms of HoT, let's see what NECA can do building a set from the ground up next time.

With your statement, compare point totals of various figs from each set, and you'll see what I mean. Take a handful of M-11's for the fraction of the price of many Secret Invasion pieces and see what happens.

Take a Super-Man Prime and and the best figs you can find to put around him up against a 400-point team with eight (8) M-11 team, and see Prime fall in a matter of minutes.

If a handful of 59 point figs can take down prime in just minutes, and people claim that the power creep isn't that bad, then you live in fantasy world.

There is Power Creep. You can't really deny this.

Power Creep is necessary.

Power Creep is even, believe it or not, good.

The vast majority your consumer base in HeroClix is not interested in new characters that are not better than the old ones. Why buy them? Very few people are big enough fans of teams or individual characters to buy large quantities of a new set just to get their select favorites. You need to keep amping up the power level in order to generate interest sufficient to motivate purchases in enough quantity to keep the game running.

The choice is essentially this: deal with an occasional obsolesence on a beloved figure when a newer, better dial comes along for roughly the same points OR face a future like the last year, when NO HeroClix are being made. Sales will be insufficient to keep the game going if you don't appeal to everyone's inborn power gamer. Heck, it seems that the whole lot of us couldn't generate enough sales to keep Topps involved, so we just have to hope that NECA fares better. In order to do that, they may have to really let Power Creep off the leash. Upcoming sets may totally even invalidate HoT because of the wonked-out level of power. Which situation do you prefer: creep or extinction?

You seem to miss the point. Sure, we needed a new Cap and a new Daredevil, but make the worth their points.

You didn't go into my example of both the Rookie Armor Wars and Ultimates Cap being 72 points. And they claim their is a point formula?

I also have no problem with Daredevil, but you failed to see my point. That Daredevil they created is waaaaaaaay to powerful to represent the Rookie Daredevil. He should have been a Vet DD and much more points.

I'm not getting on the dials and how powerful they are. You completely miss the point. I'm getting the point comparisons of the previous sets. I could care less if they gave Odin a 20 Attack and 15 Damage. But that should be represented in his point total.

So many people seem to miss the point that power creep could be a good thing if the points reflect that.

I completely disagree. Power Creep can be a good thing if the point totals reflect this, that way it doesn't make older characters completely obsolete. See my last post, it shows how we can allow power creep, and still keep the older figures relevant. Why more people don't understand this is beyond me. It's all in a true point formula system.

Why would a company advertise that compatibility is important, as reflected in even the Fantastic Four Rulebook, but then completely make all older sets obsolete? They act like politicians. Say one thing, and do another.

I can't stress it enough: We can have power creep and compatibility, if only they would adhere to some set point formula.

M-11 is nasty for the points but I think he is getting over rated a little. If he had running shot or charge I would be worried. Superman prime with his hypersonic speed should be able to handle some M-11s.