Dissent is the DC feat card (Origin) that allows an Outwitter to turn off a TA. Costs 18 pts.

Anonymouse coming on board in the new year? Gotta get a DC fan on here for the next few months. We could play a drinking game to the phrase "don't like DC."

You guys aren't that into DC but you are still into clix. I like both but as a fan of the game it would still be exciting to have new figures. Even if I was one or the other I think I would find any of the new sets hard to resist. I could see not reading the books but I don't know if I could have my Marvel clix without the DC.

I have always seen Heroclix as an extension of my Comic Book Reading experience. Since I don't read DC it's hard for me to get into it. Also "Here we go." I have always felt Wizkids has always favored DC by making them much more powerful than Marvel Characters in Clix form, a little sided more to Dc than Marvel. This could be attributed to "PowerCreep" since DC sets have always followed Marvel.

We try to give DC a fair shake and I actually own about 85% of all DC Sets. Played with maybe less than 9% of them. Perhaps I shall try to play some more DC. If we can get some more guests/fans on the show in the new year perhaps they can shed some light on the DC side.

Not as a regular but as a guest...you want on too?

Maybe it is just me. Before clix I knew about comics from reading my older brothers but hadn't really gotten into them. Once I got into clix it made me real interested in comics. Marvel and DC being able to interact with one another is one of the things that drew me into clix. So for me the game would just seem incomplete without the two. I'm a clix to comics guy I guess.

I totally agree. It's just I have a hard time Digesting DC comics. For me they don't seem as down to earth as Marvel. But it's just me and my opinion. I have actually written several scenarios based on events in comics. To me that is one of the great things about Heroclix.

Dude. Now I want a Skrull heroclix figure that glows in the dark.

My story's similar. I got into heroclix, and after a while I became interested in comics. Now that I read comics, I want more characters to be made into heroclix. It's a vicious cycle.

I think they make some glow in the dark paint that is more like a "glaze". You could probably make this happen.

For me the order was Marvel comics, Marvel Heroclix, DC Heroclix, and then DC comics.

Based off of some of the some the DC clix I pulled, I've gone back and got some TPB's to learn more about the characters (Metal Men is a one example).

Looking forward to the Christmas Clixcast, I think you guys should list your "wants" list. After Christmas rolls around, a few folks may have some more trades available (a few more Hand Ninjas perhaps)...

I'd Love to be on the cast, but alas, I live in Illinois and I don't believe I am anywhere near y'all.

Full disclosure: I haven't had time to listen to this week's podcast.

That said, a few things mentioned here interested me.

I think when it comes to DC Vs. Marvel, the universes are just structured differently (mostly as a result of the eras the universes originated in).

Marvel really upped the ante during the silver age by introducing "heroes with problems." Daredevil was blind, Iron Man was essentially a dude trapped in a back brace/iron lung, Mutants were freaks of nature (relatable by any ostricized minority group: black, white, other race, gay, nerd, overweight kids), etc.

Spider-man, Marvel's version of Hamlet, is the penulimate example - an imperfect hero who constantly struggles with his abilities and actions. He's always asking himself - Did I do the right thing?, which I think draws in the reader, and makes the reader ask questions of themself.

For a number of years DC Comics headlined larger than life characters - characters who rarely struggled with control of their powers or asked themselves if they did the right thing. Characters who were hard to relate to because they were the last survivor of an alien race, or grew up a millionaire with no parents.

Prime example: the amazing Amazon. One of the reasons I think people struggle to write Wonder Woman is because she's hard to relate to. She's the perfect woman, created by the gods (like Pinocchio almost), grows up on an island full of women and despite being sent to America on a mission of peace always ends up fighting. How do you relate to that?

So yeah, Marvel cornered the market on characters readers could relate to in the 60's, though DC has gotten better in recent years. I've found when I look back at my reading habits that I've jumped from Marvel to DC over the years mostly because I was following writers (though I didn't know it at the time). It's always been the stories for me, more than the characters.

You're probably saying : what does this have to do with clix?

Marvel, I think on some level, intentionally made their characters weaker then the Distinguished Competion. It can be difficult to write suspensful, thought provoking stories about Invincible characters. You know Superman's never going to be in any real danger, which takes some of the fun out of the story.

Reading DC comics growing up was a lot like watching a Die Hard movie today - you know Bruce Willis is going to be okay, you're just there for the explosions. In the Marvel universe anything goes. And that's the beauty of it. Norman snapping Gwen Stacy's neck, is an event that would never happen to Lois or Lana in the DCU. It's that fragility of the Marvel U that compels readers I think.

It's not to say Superman is any more Powerful than Thor, or you can't have a 200+ point Spider-man. On some level though, the Marvel U proper has many more popular street-level heroes that headline best selling books. So of course, in order to remain accurate, there's a bit of a slinding scale of power when these figures get translated to clix dials.

Heck, even Hawkeye (IIRC at any rate) talks about this in Avengers vs. JLA - he takes one look at Metropolis and says something like "This city was built by meta-humans. The dials here go up to 11." A reference to Spinal Tap, but it may as well refer to clix too.

For my money, I'm excited about the prospect of more DC Clix. It feels like there's about a 2:1 ratio (Marvel vs DC) when it comes to sets, so there's just less DC available to play. There's so many characters we haven't seen that we should have seen by now, combined with so many remakes* of characters that weren't done enough justice the first time around that I can't help but want my Brave and the bold RIGHT NOW.





*(of course I feel the same way about marvel - can we get the Brotherhood updated asap?).

Me and steve are not close to each other .. we do this via the power of the web.... so anyone could be on .. hel when ben and brian are on .. they are in seatle ...

i could not have expressed that any better ... Thankyou.... Really does fit how i view my comics .. i have just started (sincorp war) reading GL titles and with blackest night i have decided to collect all the cross overs to help broaden my DC views ...but i think i latched on to Green Lantern because after Rebirth he was a flawed hero ... Supes and Bats just dont do it for me in the comic medium, BUT i do believe DC charecters have always had a better product when it comes to Cartoons and Movies... Marvel is just now putting out cartoons like spectacular spider man and the Iron man movies that finally compete with the LOADS of DC stuff out there.

Maybe down the line. Sounds like you guys have a number of people who'd like to try it.