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In the wording of Chief's power "Manipulation" it is stated that "If Leadership would allow you to add an action to your action total for the turn, you can instead put a Manipulate token on the Chief's character card..."
It says nothing about Chief's Leadership specifically, does that mean ANY Leadership on your team would earn him a token?
That's a pretty darned good question. I think it is supposed to be assumed that the wording is referring to the Chief's leadership, but with the current wording I would any leadership would work.
Rep to you for thinking outside of the box on that one!
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ok, well thats an interesting article but i'm afraid its a bit lacking.
"If Leadership would allow you to add an action to your action total for the turn..."
As worded the power is specifically targetting the power Leadership I don't know how you could argue otherwise. We could assume that they meant Chief, but as it is worded and with no errata I'm going to stick with the power as worded. Unless someone can PROVE me wrong.
ok, well thats an interesting article but i'm afraid its a bit lacking.
"If Leadership would allow you to add an action to your action total for the turn..."
As worded the power is specifically targetting the power Leadership I don't know how you could argue otherwise. We could assume that they meant Chief, but as it is worded and with no errata I'm going to stick with the power as worded. Unless someone can PROVE me wrong.
much rep 2 u sir! and W0RD!
i too am a fan of no documentation? no justification.
proving intent only holds up in a court of law.
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How is Harpua's comment not official? I see what the card says, but I can't see any judge letting you use it in the fashion you mention when a Rules Deputy has said no.
Its all fun and games until someone rolls snake eyes on a push.....then it is hilarious
EDIT: And I see Normalview is reading this thread...I imagine some more orange will get thrown in the mix here.
I shouldn't have to, as Harpua has already commented in the linked thread... but since you noticed, how about this?
Special powers that let a character use a normal power, but with a twist, conform to all the normal rules of the power in question except for what is specified in the SP description.
In the case of Manipulate, Chief can use Leadership plus do some other things, and those other things occur when his Leadership is used. No other character's use of Leadership is mentioned or defined, so it is Chief's Leadership only that functions with the rest of Manipulate. If it said something like "If any character's Leadership would allow you to..." that would be a different story. It doesn't, though, so it is Chief's power only.
While this may have been the intent of the designers, I think that this power does need an errata. As written, it looks like two different abilities within the special power, not a modified version of leadership.
Chief's power, Manipulate:
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MANIPULATE: The Chief can use Leadership. If Leadership would allow you to add an action to your action total for the turn, you can instead put a Manipulate token on the Chief's character card if there are two or fewer Manipulate tokens on the card. When another friendly character would take pushing damage, you can remove a Manipulate token from the Chief's character card and roll a d6; on a result of 3-6, the character ignores pushing damage.
As written chief can use leadership.
He can also add a token when leadership grants an extra action. It doesn't say when chief's leadership allows it, or when chief successfully uses leadership. It doesn't specify the source of leadership at all.
I understand that this is apparently the intent of the power design, but if that's true then I think it does need an errata to work that way.
Another question to this power. If you remove a token, wen another figure pushes, and you roll a 1 or 2, can you remove a second token for that same character to roll again? Or PC the roll?
Another question to this power. If you remove a token, wen another figure pushes, and you roll a 1 or 2, can you remove a second token for that same character to roll again? Or PC the roll?
From the Player's Guide:
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When removing Manipulate tokens, Probability Control can be used on the d6 roll. The Chief is the character that needs to be targeted for this line of fire.
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If the d6 roll is a 1-2, and The Chief has more Manipulate tokens on his card, he may continue to use Manipulate until he has no more tokens.
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