Hi all,
I'm thinkin about using Rogue today and I want to be clear on her SP. I read the final word on her, but, well.....

Rogue's Power says nothing about borrowing Standard Powers which are POSSESSED by adjacent characters, which, typically most standard powers are. So is she obsolete towards characters with no SP's? or can she borrow powers that are possessed as well, such as those appearing on the dial ?? I would guess no, since the character with any standard power on their dial only possesses that power, but I just want to be sure before I attempt to use her....

Thanks

If you POSSESS a power, you can most certainly USE it, too.

Not sure I agree with that ZZZ. The rulebook differentiates between USE and POSSESS specifically. According to that statement, Impervious is on the dial, which means the character possesses it. So by extension, what your saying is that he can USE impervious, and therefore Impervious cannot be outwitted becuase it can be USED ???

The final word makes a point to note the difference between USE and POSSESS in this game, so thats why im asking......

It is not much different than action and attack. Not all close combat attacks are close combat actions, but all cc actions result in cc attacks. Similarly, you may be able to use a power without possessing it, but if you possess it you can use it.

Can this piece steal a power from an adjacent friendly character on the first move of the game? If so, does the first round immunity apply?

She can, but first turn immunity would not help you. FTI only stops your opponent from targeting you, it doesn't stop you from taking Damage from your own figures/characters due to usage of their powers.

I believe this isn't right.

You can indeed deal damage to someone in your starting area that hasn't moved or taken an action, free or otherwise, and the damage wouldn't stick due to FTI.

FIRST-ROUND IMMUNITY
During the first round of the game, characters that have not been given an action, placed, or moved can not be targeted by opposing characters, knocked back, attacked, or damaged, unless a game effect that does so specifically states that it occurs at the beginning of the game.

UNAVOIDABLE DAMAGE
Unavoidable damage is damage dealt that can’t be evaded, reduced, modified, ignored, or transferred to another character.

POWER ABSORPTION:
Once during your turn, you may give Rogue a free action and choose an adjacent character and a standard power (other than Outwit or Perplex) that they can use. Until your next turn, Rogue may use the chosen standard power. If Rogue has no action tokens or the chosen character is friendly, deal 1 unavoidable damage to the chosen character.

First Round (not Turn as I thought) Immunity specifies targeted by opposing characters, but doesn't say what happens when targeted by a friendly character.

I guess we'll have to see what the Deputies have to say.

The only things an opposing character cannot do is target. Note bold inside of FRI. Since Rogue is dealing damage and it's still covered by FRI, the damage doesn't go through.

First round immunity protects against the Malice Battlefield Condition. I don't see why it wouldn't protect from Rogue's special power too.

"MALICE
At the end of each player’s turn, if none of his or her characters made an attack against an opposing character, that player chooses a friendly character and deals it 1 unavoidable damage."
(from the player's guide)

EDIT : mmmh, that wasn't W.I.T.'s point anyway. What lancelot said then, he he.

Rogue's power does not specifically states that it occurs at the beginning of the game. The character can not be damaged by it.

The damage does not have to come from an opposing character for first round immunity to apply.

First Turn Immunity will protect the character from the damage; it doesn't matter what the source is.

I was going to argue in your favor, but I re-read the quotes you had, and agree with what was said by the last few posters- it would not go through.

For one, Rogue's SP does not target, so a friendly "target" is moot.

Second, it does not say that opposing character's cannot due damage,but merely that the character cannot be damaged during FRI.

Would have been cool for a cheap activation click too.

It still can be used for that if you set it up right. For example, Rogue carries Johnny Quick on the first turn. At the end of her movement, she places him in an adjacent square. Now that he has been placed, he's no longer subject to first round immunity.

Rogue can then be given a free action to use power absorption on Johnny's Super Senses. Now Rogue can use super senses, and Johnny is on his awesome 2nd click, ready to go mix it up next turn.

I didn't expect my post to get blown up like this, but I'm glad to have a good discussion on it. I was just wondering because rogue stealing hypersonic/leadership/stealth/defend for first turn would be a great way to start off some games.