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WAIL OF THE BANSHEE: Silver Banshee can use Incapacitate as if she possesses "3 targets". When she uses it, after actions resolve deal damage to each hit character equal to the number of action tokens on them.
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INCAPACITATE: Give this character a close combat or a ranged combat action to make an attack that deals no damage. If the attack hits, give the target an action token.
I know it has been ruled in the Warbound thread that you can use Support on someone who is greenlined. Does the same apply to Incap; i.e. can you attempt to Incap fig(s) that already have two action tokens, thereby dealing them 2 damage via Banshee's SP?
Since I am curious to this answer, I would like to know if I am right. So, here is my stab at it.
THE RULE OF ACTION TOKENS
No game effect can result in more than 2 action
tokens on a character. If part of a game effect
would cause this to happen, that part of the game
effect is ignored.
So, since incap would apply another token it can't. But that doesn't necessarily mean you can't use incap. Her next effect would then kick in and deal 2 damage since that character has 2 tokens. That's my take on it.
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I know it has been ruled in the Warbound thread that you can use Support on someone who is greenlined. Does the same apply to Incap; i.e. can you attempt to Incap fig(s) that already have two action tokens, thereby dealing them 2 damage via Banshee's SP?
Yeah but that wouldn't be necessary as you would just need to INCAP a character that has 1 token, and after actions resolve you would deal it 2 damage.
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Yeah but that wouldn't be necessary as you would just need to INCAP a character that has 1 token, and after actions resolve you would deal it 2 damage.
That we get, but times will arise when you can hit those single token characters and another character who may already have two especially in the case of colossals and figs with Indomitable. Keep in mind her base damage is 3 so divvying that up between 3 figs is a lot less efficient than giving each of them 2.
You CAN Target a character with Incapacitate, after a successful hit you can then place a token on them. If they already have 2 tokens that effect would be ignored, are there any other effects (stunning blow, silver banshee, etc...) Resolves those.
Quote : Originally Posted by Necromagus
When I came on board as RA I brought with me a mission to meet the intent of a power/ability and a firm distaste for exploits or loopholes that circumvented the intention of a rule. That's where the Rules team comes in.
If the effect only mattered about placing tokens rather then how many tokens are on the character it would have been phrased more like Saturn Queens power:
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MIND SQUEEZE: Saturn Queen can use Incapacitate. Immediately after the resolution of a use of Incapacitate by Saturn Queen that gives a second action token to a target opposing character, Saturn Queen can use Mind control targeting that character as a free action
Quote : Originally Posted by Necromagus
When I came on board as RA I brought with me a mission to meet the intent of a power/ability and a firm distaste for exploits or loopholes that circumvented the intention of a rule. That's where the Rules team comes in.
Since I am curious to this answer, I would like to know if I am right. So, here is my stab at it.
THE RULE OF ACTION TOKENS
No game effect can result in more than 2 action
tokens on a character. If part of a game effect
would cause this to happen, that part of the game
effect is ignored.
So, since incap would apply another token it can't. But that doesn't necessarily mean you can't use incap. Her next effect would then kick in and deal 2 damage since that character has 2 tokens. That's my take on it.
The Rule states a game effect, not an action, is ignored. The action is to use Incapacitate, the effect is to place a token. The placing of a third token would be ignored, but all other effects should continue normally.
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I'm pretty sure Dragon has the Future keyword and Probability Control.
Quote : Originally Posted by Dragon
With the amount of times you are Ninja'd I swear you must have the Past Keyword
That we get, but times will arise when you can hit those single token characters and another character who may already have two especially in the case of colossals and figs with Indomitable. Keep in mind her base damage is 3 so divvying that up between 3 figs is a lot less efficient than giving each of them 2.
As other's have stated; you cant place more than 2 action tokens on any figure. So the max damage from her SP to any one character would be 2.
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Right...for a total damage dealt of 6 (2+2+2) against three figs opposed to 3 (1+1+1) distributed to 3 figs. You're dotting my i.
Your forgetting the potential pushing damage she could do.
Quote : Originally Posted by Necromagus
When I came on board as RA I brought with me a mission to meet the intent of a power/ability and a firm distaste for exploits or loopholes that circumvented the intention of a rule. That's where the Rules team comes in.
Since I am curious to this answer, I would like to know if I am right. So, here is my stab at it.
THE RULE OF ACTION TOKENS
No game effect can result in more than 2 action
tokens on a character. If part of a game effect
would cause this to happen, that part of the game
effect is ignored.
So, since incap would apply another token it can't. But that doesn't necessarily mean you can't use incap. Her next effect would then kick in and deal 2 damage since that character has 2 tokens. That's my take on it.
Don't know if this will work because the use of incap is the cause of another token being placed and if it will be the third token then this effect is ignored that being incap.This is my take on this.
Don't know if this will work because the use of incap is the cause of another token being placed and if it will be the third token then this effect is ignored that being incap.This is my take on this.
It says that part of the effect is ignored, meaning the part that gives them a token. They were still a Target of the power and still successfully hit.
Quote : Originally Posted by Necromagus
When I came on board as RA I brought with me a mission to meet the intent of a power/ability and a firm distaste for exploits or loopholes that circumvented the intention of a rule. That's where the Rules team comes in.
Don't know if this will work because the use of incap is the cause of another token being placed and if it will be the third token then this effect is ignored that being incap.This is my take on this.
The problem here is you say that the game effect Incap. will be ignored. Only the PART of a game effect that would cause more than 2 action tokens to be placed on a character is ignored.
Using Incap. as a standard power is a game effect. The rule of actions tokens does not say to ignore the entire game effect.
You are technically correct. The best kind of correct.
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