If Cap America #60 attempts to shoot at a character with shape change/Skrulls TA and they roll a 6, can he target another figure within the 3 squares limit?

Ice Cap's special:

SECOND DEFLECTION: When Captain America targets a character with a ranged combat attack, he may target an additional character within 3 squares and line of fire from the first character and divide the damage between them. The second character does not have to be withing Captain America's Range or Line of Fire.

Thanks!

ED

Yes, he can. His power states "He may target an additional character," so that character can roll shape change, and if successful Cap has to choose another legal target for that attack.

edit: this answer is if the second target had rolled shape change, not the first target.

Shape Change: When this character is chosen as the target of an attack, you may roll a d6. On a result of 5 or 6, the attack can't target this character with an attack this turn and the attacker may choose another target character instead. The attacker then makes the attack unless there are no targets, in which case the action resolves without an attack.

According to the part I bolded, I'd say that Captain America would not be able to select the additional target, since the first character would no longer be a legal target for him. At least until he selected a different primary target.

What if he didn't have another character to target.

The setup was Cap tried to attack Yellowjacket Skrull (who was the only character within line of fire and his range). Yellowjacket made his shape change roll, so can Cap also shoot a Blackbolt Skrull (3 squares away from Yellowjacket). These two pieces were the only figs he could target.

If he can't target Yellowjacket (shape change roll), can he also target Blackbolt?

Oh, I guess I didn't understand your question exactly, last night. I thought you were just not understanding that Cap didn't need LoF to the second character. My bad.

If YJ rolled the SC, I'm not 100% sure what the ruling should be.

No problem man, Black Bolt made his Skrull roll as well

I just want to be sure for future reference.

Sorry, I had misunderstood the question, though you meant the second guy (Blackbolt Skrull) had made the roll, as once he makes his shape change roll, Cap won't be able to target him with an attack for the rest of the turn.

Neff is right. If you target Yellowjacket, and Yellowjacket makes his shape change roll, and YJ and BB are the only 2 characters you can target, Cap cannot target YJ with an attack again for the rest of the turn.

SECOND DEFLECTION: When Captain America targets a character with a ranged combat attack, he may target an additional character within 3 squares and line of fire from the first character and divide the damage between them. The second character does not have to be withing Captain America's Range or Line of Fire.

Shape Change: When this character is chosen as the target of an attack, you may roll a d6. On a result of 5 or 6, the attack can't target this character with an attack this turn and the attacker may choose another target character instead. The attacker then makes the attack unless there are no targets, in which case the action resolves without an attack.

If he tried to target YJ and YJ was successful with his Skrulls roll then Cap can't target BB: targeting the additional character is dependent on targeting the first, and Shape Change prevents you from doing that.

since I'm declearing the attack I'm active player and since the wording of both shape change and seconed deflection seems to indicate they happen at same time(when a char is targted). I would say I get to choose order and therfore can target the seconed char before shape change is rolled. Since it's alredy targeted in this case I would say I could make the attack.

You might have an argument there if they did in fact occur at the same time, but they don't.
Shape Change is rolled when the figure is chosen as the target, and rolled to determine if the figure can in fact be targeted. Second Defelction allows a second figure to be targeted when the first is targeted: successfully targeting the first figure is prerequisite to targeting the second. Shape Change comes first.

An analogous situation is if your primary target for Energy Explosion has Super Senses. Your roll is high enough to hit the target and all 5 adjacent figures, but the target is successful at Shape Change. Because she evaded the attack and hitting her is prerequisite to "splashing" no "splash" occurs.

I don't know what the ruling will be on this, but I will say there's some inconsistencies in your response. You bold the word WHEN, which means "at the moment" so in Clix terms "at the moment you target a figure, target another." That indicates the targeting of the two is simultaneous, just like if you have . You saying the first figure is a prerequisite is actually contrary and would only be true if it said AFTER targeting.

Your analogous situation is different because Energy Explosion explicitly states "For each target character successfully hit, all adjacent characters are attacked as well." Meaning that hitting is a prerequisite to even ATTACKING the other characters. I don't see anything obvious here like that.

Still I can see this going either way.

When he targets the first then he can target a second. But Shape Change is rolled when a figure is chosen as a target, and determines if the figure can be targeted or not. If the SC roll is successful, that figure isn't targeted. If he doesn't target the first, he can't target the second.

That would be fine, if THEN was anywhere in the power. Unless I am missing it isn't there. Which is why simultaneity similar to may be implied.

Shape Change happens when you choose an opponent as a target of an attack. The SC roll then tells us if the character can be targeted. If the character can't be chosen as a target because of a succesfull SC roll, then the this part "When Captain America targets a character with a ranged combat attack" hasn't yet happened.

But...why couldn't I choose a different target and then choose an additional one?