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Walls, Blocking terrain and squares of blocking terrain
Hello gentlemen,
So there are a few new figs with powers that interact with blocking terrain in one way or another and I've noticed some inconsistency with how the powers are worded.
Here are some examples of what I mean.
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SPIDER-CAMOUFLAGE: Spider-Man can use Stealth. When it's not your turn, lines of fire can't be drawn to Spider-Man if he's adjacent to blocking terrain.
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STONE GIVES ME STRENGTH: Modify Terrax's damage value by the number of squares of blocking terrain adjacent to him.
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STEALTH SUIT: Lines of fire for an attack can't be drawn to Scarlet Spider if he is adjacent to a wall or blocking terrain.
So by my understanding, walls are for all intents and purposes, blocking terrain. They are not however, squares of blocking terrain and therefore walls would not trigger Terrax's ability.
My confusion comes primarily from the difference in wording between spider -Camouflage and stealth suit. Spider-Camouflage mentions only blocking terrain and Stealth suit mentions walls and blocking terrain. Does this mean that Spider-Camouflage does not work when adjacent to walls? or is it simply an inconsistency in the wording of similar powers?
If Spider-Camouflage was not intended to work with walls, would it not have made more sense to say "adjacent to at least one square of blocking terrain"?
Of course I could be completely wrong and Terrax's power does work with walls and mentions "squares of blocking terrain" purely because it interacts with multiple instances of blocking terrain.
Spider-Camouflage works when adjacent to walls.
"Wall" in Stealth Suit is redundant; it would work the same if it read "...if he is adjacent to blocking terrain."
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I don't see them as inconsistent; I see them as being triggered by completely different scenarios.
Even though they all do involve blocking terrain, they're obviously different on purpose.
Actually, spider-camouflage and stealth suit will be triggered in exactly the same scenarios, so I don't think they're different on purpose. Stealth suit isn't technically wrong, but it is redundant in its wording.
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Spider-Camouflage works when adjacent to walls.
"Wall" in Stealth Suit is redundant; it would work the same if it read "...if he is adjacent to blocking terrain."
is this a redundancy? there is definitely an inconsistency here. being adjacent to a wall isn't the same as being adjacent to a square of blocking terrain. stealth suit is meant to equate to something like loa ata or hand ata or camoflague feat. spider camo is meant to provide a slightly expanded form of stealth that may not be the same as stealth suit. spider camo should either say "blocking or wall" "square of blocking" to eliminate confusion.
is this a redundancy? there is definitely an inconsistency here. being adjacent to a wall isn't the same as being adjacent to a square of blocking terrain. stealth suit is meant to equate to something like loa ata or hand ata or camoflague feat. spider camo is meant to provide a slightly expanded form of stealth that may not be the same as stealth suit. spider camo should either say "blocking or wall" "square of blocking" to eliminate confusion.
It is indeed a redundancy. Walls are blocking terrain, but they're not squares of blocking terrain.
If a power says, "squares of blocking terrain," wall will not count.
If it simply says, "blocking terrain," walls will count.
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In other words, it's all Vlad's fault.
Quote : Originally Posted by Masenko
Though I'm pretty sure if we ever meet rl, you get a free junk shot on me.
Quote : Originally Posted by Thrumble Funk
Vlad is neither good nor evil. He is simply Legal.
It is indeed a redundancy. Walls are blocking terrain, but they're not squares of blocking terrain.
If a power says, "squares of blocking terrain," wall will not count.
If it simply says, "blocking terrain," walls will count.
oh i totally understand this part i'm just confused about why this situation exsists in the first place. i wonder why the inconsistency at all, of course i'm not asking you for a response on that cuz i know it isn't your fault that they can't seem to get it right.
This is precisely why I brought it up, to me it seems as though the game play effect regarding LOF not being able to be drawn is functionally identical in both powers (with the exception of one being only attacks) yet the wording is different enough to cause confusion.
Ultimately I wanted to make sure that Spider-Camouflage does indeed work when adjacent to walls.