So today they posted up that helpful article on Invincible but I am unsure how it interacts with Pulse Wave

1) Does Pulse Wave ignore it like it does most everything else?

2) or does the damage dealt happen after the action resolves and therefore gets halved by invincible?

I'm guessing it's #1 but confused enough to ask

Thanks in advance for the help

INVINCIBLE Half of damage dealt to this character is ignored.

Nothing in that description states this power can't be ignored.

Nothing in that description says anything at all about actions.

thanks for the help

1) Nothing in the text for Invincible indicates that it can't be ignored, therefore Pulse Wave would ignore it.

2) Damage dealt is part of the resolution of the attack, which is part of the action that initiated the attack. The 'life cycle' of damage is:

damage value (attack) --[attack roll]--> damage dealt (hit) --[transfer/evade/reduce/ignore]--> damage taken (actually turning the dial)

I'm confused on Invincible now, especially with the wonky "round up" rule they're practically ignoring...1 is 0 damage, 3 is 1, etc....WUH?

It's the amount your ignoring you have to pay attention to. You're ignoring half of 1, rounded up, take 0. You're ignoring half of 3, rounded up, take 1.

If it was the amount taken the power was concerned with, then it would be different.

Break it down:

INVINCIBLE Half of damage dealt to this character is ignored

1) How much damage are you dealt? Let's say 5. Fine, 5 it is.
2) What is half of that damage dealt? Half of 5 is 2.5. That rounds up to 3. We always round up in HeroClix.
3) Now ignore that half. Ignore 3 damage dealt.

Yet 1 gets ignored to 0.

Half of 1 is .5, rounded up 1. Yet it gets ignored to 0.

That's what's throwing me off.

Half of 1 rounded up is still 1. Nowhere does a rounding up of .5 gets you to 0.

Using the same steps as before:
1) Damage dealt is 1.
2) Half of the damage dealt is 0.5. Round up to 1.
3) Ignore that damage dealt. Ignore 1.

normalview... can you put all of your posts as your signature? I like your explanations of everything. you keep it simple, direct, and to the point. No beating around the bushes, no misdirections, no nonsense. You sir, rock!

The table in that post doesn't list the amount ignored. It lists the amount you take.
Half of 1 rounded up is 1. You ignore 1. The damage dealt was 1, you ignore 1 of it, so you take 0.
Half of 5 rounded up is 3. The damage dealt was 5, you ignore 3, so you take the 2 that is left.

Especially when it comes to the description of how this power works . . . doesn't matter what the damage dealt value starts out at, if you follow his guide, you get the end result of what gets ignored . . . take that away from the initial value and you have your end damage dealt . . . simple.

Ahhh, gotcha. Am looking at the WHOLE value, but just subtract what's ignored and take the remaining.

Math can be hard.

Thanks!

And this is why we should be using Heroclix in schools to teach Math. We just graduated from Elementary school (basic math) to Junior High (Algebra).