I have a question me and my friend always argue about. We werelaying a match and were wondering if there is elevated terrain between two people who are on the same elevation does it block line of site. We wondered also if fliers would ignore what I said above.

We were also wondering if someone is the corner of elevated terrain could someone target them with a range attack from lower elevation and the opposite corner of them

Example for part 1

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. 2 2 2 . X X X . 2 2 2 .
. 2 A 2 . X X X . 2 B 2 .
. 2 2 2 . X X X . 2 2 2 .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Where x is a higher elevation then what the characters ar on



Example for second question

A 2 2 2 2 . . . . .
2 2 2 2 2 . . . . .
2 2 2 2 2 . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . B. .

Where the dots are level one

First of all, there is no such thing as line of sight in this game. The only thing there is is line of fire.

Your question is actually unclear, though, even with the example..as it doesn't seem to match.

If two characters are on the same elevation, then line of fire would be blocked by elevated terrain of a higher elevation. For example:

. . . . . . . . . . . . .
. 2 2 2 . X X X . 2 2 2 .
. 2 A 2 . X X X . 2 B 2 .
. 2 2 2 . X X X . 2 2 2 .
. . . . . . . . . . . . .

A and B are both on level 2. The dots are level 1.
If X is level 1 or 2, then it does not block LoF.
If X is 3 or higher, then LoF would be blocked.



Again the diagram isn't clear.

If you mean this:

2 2 . . .
2 A . . .
. . . . .
. . . B .
. . . . .

LoF is clear.

If you mean:
2 2 2 2 2
2 A 2 2 2
2 2 . . .
2 2 . B .
2 2 . . .

LoF is blocked.

Thanks for understanding the question ...... does the same go for fliers Though or would fliers ignore that since they can be on different elevations at the same time

Fliers are not actually on different elevations at the same time. Don't try and apply "real" things to what the rules say. Even though one might think that fliers could be at any elevation because that is how they "really" behave, the way the work for drawing line is like anyone else...they are at the elevations of the squares they occupy.

It Generally(this means Normally...) doesn't matter what square a character is in and what type of character it is. If a character shoots another character, that line of fire will be blocked by Characters-walls/blocking-Elevated terrain higher than any of the characters. You also need to take in account Line of fire to the rim.

If you normally want to shoot characters at the same elevation terrain you generally do not want Higher terrain or characters in the way.

B=Batman on elevation 1
S=Superman on Elevation 1
2=Elevation 2
----(Line of Fire)
B . 2 . 2 . 2 . 2 . 2 . S = Blocked line of fire
----------------------


Now if Batman and Superman are on elevation terrain lv 3 instead of LV 1 and the terrain in between is lv 1, 2 or 3. They can shoot each other as long as Lv 4 terrain isn't in between, a taller character ( ),Blocking terrain/walls on Lv3 or higher. Its not about where the characters are at or what terrain they are on. It is whats between the characters.

(normal Sized Hclix)

Also LV 1 cant shoot LV 3 unless lv 3 is on the ridge/rim and the line of fire does not across Different levels Elevations/etc

also

1 . 1 . 1
1 . 1 . 3 . 3
1 . 1 . 1 . 3
1 . . 1 . 1

3 = on LV 3 Terrain
can't shoot the in square 3 because the line of fire is blocked by the other 2 squares of lv 3 Elevated terrain as when firing a diagonal line you choose 1 of the 2 squares the line of fire goes through that is the least restrictive but those are lv 3 so technically... hes not on the rim....


Not sure if this will help im bored and just typing a bunch of info that may or may not be needed....I have a lot of spare time atm...



The only characters that can occupy Different levels of Elevations is Team bases and a Dr. Manhattan ( i think) generally don't like playing against manhattan. Always have to pull out the Cosmic Pink Footballer. Team bases though...well they are so trash now with this "update being 200 points for additional attacks"(should be 150 was 100) 300 point team bases can't even hold their own against sentry and void now...but im bored..

Does that also work reverse. Can a guy on higher elevation(not on the rim) attack a guy on lower elevation or will same rules apply

nope he can not attack. Another thing to remember if a character can shoot you you can shoot them UNLESS they are ignoring something such as Improved Targeting ignoring Elevation.

Just because Iron Man Can shoot through blocking terrain or Anarky can shoot through Elevation Terrain doesn't mean Superman can Do so also If he does not have the said abilities....wtf

If you want to shoot a character on lower elevation You need to be on the rim but as I said remember this the on LV3 isn't on the rim He needs to be on one of the other LV 3 Squares as the previous Line of fire isn't coming off the rim He is firing off of.


1 . 1 . 1
1 . 1 . 3 . 3
1 . 1 . 1 . 3
1 . . 1 . 1

Okay, here's one that has been bothering us for some time, with different elevations. Those with the giant size ability ( and ) according to the description: This character may draw lines of fire (and have lines of fire drawn to it) as if the character occupied the elevation equal to or greater than the elevation it occupies, using the elevation level with the least restrictive line of fire.

My problem comes with multiple elevations. You have a standard, giant, and colossal character on level one (indicated by A=standard, B=giant, C=colossal, 1=level one, 2=level 2, 3=level 3, D=standard character, E=giant, F=colossal). We will use in a second round of questions blocking terrain on 2 by K=blocking, on an outdoor map.

1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 3
1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 3
1 1 A 1 1 2 2 K 2 2 3 3 F 3 3
1 1 B 1 1 2 2 K 2 2 3 3 E 3 3
1 1 C 1 1 2 2 K 2 2 3 3 D 3 3
1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 3
1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 3

Who can see and shoot whom? According to the text the giants and colossals can draw LOF on levels equal to or greater. Does that mean that B and C can draw LOF to D, E, and F them being on a higher elevation and not E and F to the other three as they cannot draw LOF to those of lower elevation? Because of their giant size can A see E and F to shoot? And D to see B and C?

I have ruled that no one gets to draw LOF to anyone as according to the rules page 14 under LOF the Rim, A line of fire between characters on different elevations is blocked by elevated terrain of any level higher than the level occupied by the character on the lower elevation, except the square occupied by the character on the higher elevation. As level 2 is higher than level 1 and in between levels 1 and 3 neither side can draw LOF to each other, correct?

Now we go to when the blocking exists. According to the rules page 13, Any line of fire crossing a square of blocking terrain is blocked (except for a line of fire between two characters on an elevation higher than that of outdoor blocking terrain).
So since characters on level 3 are on a higher elevation than the blocking their LOF is not blocked against those on level 1 (and the reverse) as the blocking is not on the same elevation as any of the characters. But if the blocking was three rows closer to the left or right it would be on the same elevation as a character and LOF would be blocked, correct?

Boy, I hope I've got all my questions here.

B and C can draw lines of fire to F, E and D and vice versa. All the giants can draw and have lines of fires drawn to them as if they occupied level 3.

If the blocking was on level 3, D could not have a line of fire drawn to it or draw a line of fire to B and C. B and C could still draw lines of fire to E and F as all the giants can draw and have lines of fires drawn to them as if they occupied level 4.

on an outdoor map blocking terrain only goes as high as the next elevation so if it is on elevation 1 it will be considered as high as elevation 2 (even if Elevation lv 2 is not on the map) except you can't end your movement on it.

On an indoor map, blocking terrain is infinite You will never be able to shoot over it even if you are a shooting a such as pacific rim clix.

but on an outdoor map the only thing that blocks line of fire is another or a character that is not higher than blocking terrain or elevated terrain that the LOF would cross over.

[]
-----------------Blocked by elevation
and sized characters are shorter than blocking terrain and elevation terrain.
Unless the or sized character is standing on Terrain higher than the Elevation or Blocking terrain The LOF From the Then the LOF will be clear.

----------------------------[]----------------
occupying Elevation 3----- Elevation 2-------CLEAR LOF

on the PAC under the damage Header.
Smaller characters do not block line of fire drawn to or from larger characters.

> > >

The chart usually located on the back of the rulebook is very useful as it gives a LOF chart. the PAC also tells about different sized characters under the Damage header.

Just be careful of the real world physic guys. The guys that say Galactus can shoot you anywhere cause he can be taller than Earth it self. This is a game and it has rules and game mechanics to it. They are there not to be ignored unless Iron Man's targeting says otherwise....

Thanks for the great replies!