I just see this WES rules thread:

http://www.wizkidseventsystem.com/bb...ae584bf7#p1366

And I don't fully understand it so please help me...

If the bonus granted by the numbre 6 power from battery isn't ignored, why bonus from other resources are ignored?

Essentially WK is clarifying the source of the effects. This is important when figuring out how that tricky yellow power works.

In order for PW to ignore effects they have to be:
1) From a character
2) that is in Range and LoF as detailed in PW

WK is saying that the +2 pump is coming from the lantern Battery which is neither a character nor in LoF/Range.

The other effects from the construct are attributed to the lantern character so they are from a character that is in LoF/Range.

Does that help or is there something that needs more explanation?

Mmmm needs more explanation please

I get what you say but if WK say the +2 bonus is coming from the Battery which is neither a character nor in LoF then +2 from utility belt also is comming from a non-character nor in LoF.

I know utility belt is assigned to a character and that's why the +2 is ignored but the battery is also assigned so...

I think part of it has to do with the Power Battery being physically placed on the field and counting as a physical presence in the game. It acts almost as another character, granting abilities and other effects like any character would. Other resources are directly attached to the character, while the battery is not. It's similar to a character from outside the pulse wave aoe , where the perplex bonus is still in effect, because it originates from a source outside of the pulse wave.

I am not a resource expert and I didnt make the ruling so I will do my best here....

I believe they are going to hinge on this...
Utility Belt
The belt lets the characters modify their values

as opposed to...
With the Battery the Improved Constructs Power is doing the modifying.

I agree its really subtle.

Thanks IceHot I see the point now, but yeah REALLY subtle.

So if a character has a construct on their card and is hit with pulse wave but the battery (which is outside the AOE) has a star sapphire ring would the character still be able to use SC / mystics?

The problem with that logic is that the above wording uses the word "their". Whatever the intent, this possessive adjective, and the sentence position of the word "modify", sets the meaning to indicate it is the Corps Members that are doing the modifying. Thus the effect would be subject to Pulse Wave.

Proper wording for the proposed intent would be something like:

IMPROVED CONSTRUCTS: Modify the combat values of friendly Corps Members by +1 for each Construct on their character card.

No. The battery states that corps members can use the effects of their attached constructs and the ring not the actual constructs and ring themselves. When a Pulse Wave happens, what gets ignored is a characters access to the powers and abilities provided by the Ring and constructs. Rings and Constructs seems to be indirectly used by the corps members so the Battery always knows they are there and whose a corps member is.

As for the battery being within Pulse Wave's AOE, that wouldn't apply. The battery, while doing many things a character can do and following the same rules for doing them, is not itself a character. Any effects that would normally affect characters do not affect the battery. So even if the battery was within Pulse Wave's area of effect it would not be affected in any way.

I am seeing it more as the lack of a noun before the verb "modify". Corp Members and (their) are part of the objective preposition phrase that is being modified.

Modify the combat values of whom?

Furthermore if it were the Corps Members doing the modifying wouldnt the modifier trigger multiple times for each Corp Member modifying each other corp member?

So that I don't get lost as to what the actual text says.

I think that you are off target there, IceHot. The power clearly says that the battery allows friendly corps members to modify their combat values by +1 for each construct on the card.

Then what makes an eligible construct? Allow me to quote from the Green Battery:

Italics are mine.

Basically, all characters that are assigned constructs from the battery, with matching construct, battery and ring is what makes them corps members.

Now what has that long tirade bought us? It basically says that only corps members that have everything right to make them corps members can use the lantern's inherent ability to boost their combat values +1 for each construct assigned from the battery.

As worded "Core Members" is as straight forward the acting noun as you can get in an English sentence. It's classic acting noun-verb-possessive adjective-acted noun form. There is no implied acting noun, unless one injects designer intent rather than clean up misused grammar.

Not whom, but what. The only whom is the owner of the what - the what being the values, the whom being self.

No, because while the possessive adjective their leaves the modification ambiguosly singular or plural, the reference to their character card singular clears the issue. And that one is subtle.

Thanks for getting the wording right I dont know why I was reading the proposed text instead of the actual text.

Pretty dumb of me to get into an English debate with Marshall in the first place.

Well in that case I agree, it is less easy (if not impossible) to see why one source of an effect would be from the character and one from the Battery, but it still seems to me their ruling hinges on the separation of those two things (possibly by some GD Intent or secret magic rule) and not necessarily their use of grammar.

Please never try to use English Language logic when trying to determine a Heroclix ruling. It will almost never work out to your advantage.

Remember in this game if you CAN use Battle Furry that means you MUST use Battle Furry...

Try this link for help on this question: http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showth...40#post8114240

I prefer not to battle furries. They are a strange people.

Anyway, this makes me glad the local rules lawyer I have in my pocket is an actual lawyer. Makes it a lot simpler.