Greetings all!

I played in a sealed event last night where someone pulled a Scarlet Centurion and I have a quick question about his trait.

It says:

MANIPULATE AVENGERS PAST AND PRESENT: Scarlet Centurion can use Mind Control. When he does, if he targets one or more characters with the Avengers keyword, modify his attack value by +3.

My question is, if he targets say Thor (WITH keyword) AND another figure (WITHOUT an Avengers keyword) for Mind Control, does he get the +3 attack vs. BOTH figures or just the one Avengers keyword figure?

Thanks in advance!

Yes. If the +3 where only against the character(s) with the avengers keyword then it would state that.

Excellent, thank you for the reply!

You only get the +3 if you target at least one character with the Avengers keyword. If you were to target multiple characters and none of them had the Avengers keyword you would not get the bonus.

I disagree with this as it has never been ruled that way in the past.

The oldest example I can recall is the 2000AD team ability.

The old E&C had this to say about it under modifiers:
Unfortunately that clarification is not listed among the stuff on the current site. Could that indicate a reversal? Sure, but there's no guarantee of that. I would hope it has been reversed in an effort of simplification, but I would say that it is worth checking on the WIN.


EDIT: To be clear, the quotes I am giving are from a very outdated documented which is no longer official. I'm quoting to point out how this has been historically ruled to work because I'm not aware of any recent rulings to the contrary of those old rulings.
It very well could be the case that the ruling was not included because it has been reversed, but it is also possible that it was not included because it was was still true but deemed to be no longer needed to be published for some reason, like if they felt that it was covered somewhere else.

Why oh Why couldn't he target friendlies? Can you imagine him MC'ing Chuckernaught? Mind Control shenanigans galore

For like a month...

MC is changing in the upcoming rules. You will get to give your target one free move action and one free vanilla attack.

This is the correct answer.

That hasn't been the case for quite some time. There's no more calculating values separately like that.

Thanks for the discussion all! I just wish WK would have some type of knowledge base.

They do...

http://win.wizkids.com/bb/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=4676

...and you are more than welcome to submit your question directly to them if somebody here hasnt already done that.

You only ever calculate your attack total once per combat action.

1. Are you using mind control? Yes.
2. Does one or more of the targeted characters have the Avengers keyword? Yes.
3. {Add +3 to Scarlet Centurion's attack value}
4. {Roll 2d6 + Scarlet Centurion's modified attack value, versus all targeted character's defense values}

Bam.

IMPRISON AND CURE SUPER-BEINGS: Scarlet Centurion can use Incapacitate. When he does, counter all powers the hit character possesses until your next turn.

if my opponent uses this power and counters all my figures powers, then my figure after words takes damage and reveals new powers, are those power countered as well or only ones showing when the incap was used?

Just to add my 2p an example of calculating values thingie was ruled under Shredder Clone. There might well be earlier examples but just in case someone needed a link.

http://win.wizkids.com/bb/viewtopic....dc100927c9f943

From the E&C:

In your scenario, the duration is until your next turn and the powers being countered are the powers being possessed.

Possessed powers (from the 2014 rule book):