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Regenesis Magneto’s barrier token vs Improved Movement
“Magnetic Forces to Repel and Attract: Energy Shield/Deflection, Willpower. Barrier as FREE, but only to generate 1 blocking terrain marker. // When moving, opposing characters adjacent to Magneto's Barrier marker must roll for break away if they don't already need to.”
If a character with “IM: ignores blocking terrain,” starts their move action next to the barrier marker, can they still ignore it and move without a roll for breakaway?
Thanks.
You do not "ignore" blocking terrain. Or anything else. "Ignore" is not game term.
This is the text for Improved Movement: Blocking Terrain from the PAC-
It has no other effects.
Ahh I see they reworded it from the previous powers and abilities. So ignore is a former forgotten term. Gotcha thanks.
How about :Improved Movement black Circle ⚫️ “This character can move through squares adjacent to or occupied by opposing characters without stopping , and automatically breaks away even if adjacent to a character with plasticity”
Would that automatic breakaway apply to the Magneto Barrier token?
Ahh I see they reworded it from the previous powers and abilities. So ignore is a former forgotten term. Gotcha thanks.
How about :Improved Movement black Circle ⚫️ “This character can move through squares adjacent to or occupied by opposing characters without stopping , and automatically breaks away even if adjacent to a character with plasticity”
Would that automatic breakaway apply to the Magneto Barrier token?
It isn't *that* crazy of a ruling. Normally you don't break away from anything but characters, so Improved Movement on the PAC is written to reflect that. Wizkids is effectively saying that "automatically breaks away" applies to other game elements a character might be required to break away from. Seems to check out technically speaking and in making things simpler overall.
It isn't *that* crazy of a ruling. Normally you don't break away from anything but characters, so Improved Movement on the PAC is written to reflect that. Wizkids is effectively saying that "automatically breaks away" applies to other game elements a character might be required to break away from. Seems to check out technically speaking and in making things simpler overall.
I agree completely. I had always read it thinking of characters, but when you read it again, the "automatically breaks away" clause doesn't have to be referring to characters at all. It's independent of the other portions and gives you the ability to break away automatically.
So Alien Symbiote characters could all break away automatically from Magneto's barrier as well.
If they wanted Magneto's barrier to work against characters with this IM, they could have phrased it like Spider's Web:
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SPIDER'S WEB: When Spider-Man hits, after actions resolve you may attach his Web marker to a hit target, removing it from anywhere else. That character with the Web marker can't move without breaking away and can't automatically break away. Other characters don't have to break away from that character. When that character successfully breaks away, remove the Web marker.
You mean aside from the fact that the effect literally says so?
Don't get snarky.
No, I mean the fact that is not an intuitive reading of the improved movement power, as blocking terrain is not a character and the clause which contains “automatically breaks away” would not be easily construed to be in context to a special marker when the context of its use within the power is referencing opposing characters.
One sentence sarcastic replies earn you no goodwill. This is a topic of discussion that has caused several players to pause and discuss/debate. To act as if the “automatically breaks away” phrase should have clued the rest of us in immediately does not assist with the debate/discussion or foster progress of the understanding of the finer points of the game.
So my question (and I think that this may be what Roderic_Cliche was getting at) is what does the phrase "if they don't already need to" add to Magneto's power? Would the power work any differently if that phrase was removed?
No, I mean the fact that is not an intuitive reading of the improved movement power, as blocking terrain is not a character and the clause which contains “automatically breaks away” would not be easily construed to be in context to a special marker when the context of its use within the power is referencing opposing characters.
One sentence sarcastic replies earn you no goodwill. This is a topic of discussion that has caused several players to pause and discuss/debate. To act as if the “automatically breaks away” phrase should have clued the rest of us in immediately does not assist with the debate/discussion or foster progress of the understanding of the finer points of the game.
If you're going to insist on making ridiculous arguments about how effects shouldn't do what they say they do, you should probably expect some snark, at the very least. Refusing to accept that an effect does exactly what it says it does doesn't earn you anything. Your response wasn't engendering any kind of meaningful discussion, so I don't know why you think you'd get a meaningful response.
So my question (and I think that this may be what Roderic_Cliche was getting at) is what does the phrase "if they don't already need to" add to Magneto's power? Would the power work any differently if that phrase was removed?
Honestly, it's always been a meaningless phrase that ends up getting tacked onto these effects for no apparent reason. No idea why it ever got used in the first place, because no, it doesn't actually affect anything.