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AnP doesnt work with arty.

the AnP only works vs regular range targets (even if you could use it with the arty attack, some of the ones with it would be pretty silly, like the SS mortar which would use it during the attack, take the click, and not have it when the arty goes off).

but its uselful for the SW mortar

I think the Wizzies changed Anti-personnel on the SEC to work specifically against the new artillery SW units, now they should've reworded the Armor piercing SE on the card to balance out the change for nerfing Anti-personnel.

anti personnel has never worked with artillery attacks. It is no new change.

The wording for An-p has not changed at all from the old SEC card to the new PDF. All that is missing is the flavor text first sentence.

An-p still requires a target unit to be hit, so everybody who said that it won't work with arty is correct.

ok? so all these new artilery units have to hit a target? somehow that makes no sense since mortar squads got a 4 inch range

The pog/blast is the target. AnP does work with arty. It's worded just like all of the other abilities. The only way that AnP won't work with arty is if they nerf it to ignore ALL damage SE. That's what my BM said when I asked him.
That said, it still won't make much difference as there won't be many chances for it to come into play since it only affects infantry & there would have to be an infantry piece outside of the blast radius in base contact with a piece that was taking the damage.
Other than that, you would take the click for SU AnP just like you take the click for SU AP or streaks when using them for arty.

Get that - target UNIT. Not Pog, Not table, not headofplayer, TARGET UNIT.

What is the target of the artillery attack? What do you compare your attack roll with? THE POG.
Is the pog a unit? NO

So, NO AnP on arty attacks - only direct fire attacks.

Got that now?

on a side note:
So its NOT worded as any other damage SE - AP is worded as "wen it makes a ranged c. attack..." "... ignores all defense SE of the AFFECTED unit..:"

You and your BM are WRONG on this. As Draddog said on another thread, "the wording is very clear" on this. AnP (like streaks) targets a unit not a pog.

How we get into these situations, I do not know. Perhaps the rulebook should spell this out using exact termanology.

First point of ground is a traget but not a target unit there is a difference.
Second it is not possible to be in base contact with points of ground. Last time i checked we do not need to break away our units from artillery markers. Although it would be funny if we had to. "Run away!!! Oh #### that artillery shell got grapple!!!!"

Except the pog is not a target. When you roll the dice for artillery you are trying to hit a target value on the arty marker. You are not trying to beat a unit's defense which is also a prerec for using An-P. Thus unless ruled otherwise by the PTB, An-P does not work with artillery.

And that was a quite humorous example Flarebright.

And another: Streaks ALSO dont work with the Arty Attack:
Its NOT targetting a single unit, its targetting a POG.

Jeez! havenmyst, you and your BM should really consider reading the rules... Especially when they are SO clear on this...

I believe Shiva is correct...Artillery does not target, it just affects units with damage, never targets them, and since Anti-Personnel and Streaks need a target, you cannot use them with Artillery. Armor Piercing can be used because it doesnt require a target, just when something is hit with an attack.