after the attack is declared, my will-o-wisp evades. does the attacker ready? it does not say anything about this under the description of the new mechanic. i know in previous rules the attacker would ready, but in this particular instance, the only way i can evade is if the attack occurs, otherwise there is nothing to evade from. therefore, i do not believe the attacker should ready as the attack would of had to occur for me to evade it. thx in advance for your response.

I also wanted to know this, and if will o evades and automaticly recovers does he get a counter?

jynx: Yes, the attacker will ready. The attack concludes and the defender no longer has the defender characteristic, so the attacker readies.

jro: Yes, if he recovers by any means (regular recovery, evasion, children of the atom, etc), he gets his counter.

let me get this right.. if my character attacks someone with evasion and they evade... for example sabretooth feral rage attacks rocket racer hoping to do big breakthrough, and racer evades, the effects are as follows?

Racer stuns
Racer's controller loser endurance of 1, Racer's cost
Racer will automatically recover next round (assuming i don't play something to ko a stunned char and pick him)
Sabretooth READIES? so sabretooth could attack again?

here is another question ...

lets assume i control Venom Alien symbiote who has evasion, and the other person controls feral rage, who will stun me on the punch back...can i do the following?

attack with alien symbiote, stunning sabreooth, who will take breakthrough and the char cost (2+4 unless i pump AS),. but then AS will get stunned back in return, can i then use evasion on AS..i mean, im gonna lose 5 endurance one way or the other, but this way AS will automatically recover during the recovery phase?

Daggoth:

1) The scenario you described with Sabertooth on Rocket Racer is correct. Feral Rage readies.

2) I know what you are trying to say, you want to let Venom deal his damage and then evade?

It doesn't work. If you evade, then the attack concludes with no attacker, and Sabertooth isn't stunned. If you go to attack resolution, you do not have priority to evade before Venom gets stunned.

The only real reason to evade while attacking is if the opponent uses a Tag Team or Nasty Surprise or something that would stun you, and you do not want to lose that character.

kairos:

thanks for the answers. i did not know an attacker would ready if he attacks and the defender evades, i cant be sure but i played in a sealed contest last week with WoS, and i think people would evade and my guy did not ready...if im right that sucks.. so evasion is meant to save breaktrhough and characters, but it doesnt mean the attack was a complete waste (they still take stun damage and your guy readies again).

as for evading the punch back, i didnt think that work, that would be broken (oh lord im using Vs terms, im becoming a nerd).

what about puma though, his card says he has evasion while attacking. how would evasion while attacking work? or would it be designed to counteract a situation like u described, i.e. the opponent played nasty surprise, and u didnt want to lose puma so u just evaded, essentially canceling your attack and taking stun damage, which sucks tho because then u wouldnt stun the guy your attacking whereas u might have if u had not evaded

The good new is you're not right.

Nothing about evasion causes an attacker to lose the attacker characteristic but evasion does cause the defender to lose the defender characteristic.

That means combat resolves as per rule 602.4b:

The attack would conclude as per rule 602.4a:

You'd use Puma's evasion if it becomes obvious he will get stunned while the defender will not.

As long as he's going to get punked, you might as well ensure you can recover him.

I evade when i am attacked. once i evade it is like the attack never happened and the attacker gets to ready and attack again. There is no common sense in this. Evasion means to avoid the attack. the way we are playing this an attack will never have occured as that attacker readies, but i had to have someone attack me before i could have something to evade. Does anyone else see the complete lack of common sense here? I have to be attacked to use evasion, but once i use evasion, there was no attack. This may be the single most idiotic rule to basic common sense i have ever heard of if this is the correct way i am reading what you are saying. If that is correct and the attacker readies, then the attack never occured, i cannot evade and my evaded character should then ready again also. this is the only way this makes any sense.

Evasion is used to save your characters. By taking stun endurance loss and being able to recover automatically helps you from losing board control.

When you use evasion you basically remove the defender from the attack. Per the rules, since there is no defender the attacker(s) re-readies.

Think of it this way... I go to attack you, you evade... well... since I didn't attack anyone, I have the energy to attack someone else.

It may not make sense, but that's how it works in the constructs of the VS system.

Somi-on-topic, but would Beast boy get a counter each time someone evades him?

Evasion does not factor into Beast Boy's triggered power.

All that matters is whether Beast Boy attacks or is attacked, not the outcome of that event.

you go to attack, i evade. evade cannot be used unless u attack one of my characters. therefore there is an attack. that is the only way i could use evade. i cannot just say during my build step that all of my characters with evade will now evade. there has to be an attack for me to evade from. therefore an attack has occured. and if an attack has occured, the attacker should not get to ready again. he did attack me, its just i evaded that attack. In simplest terms, Hobgoblin throws a pumpkin bomb at Spidey and due to Spideys spideysense and great reflexes, he is able to evade the bomb by jumping out of the way of it. An attack occured, Spidey evaded it. That doesn't mean Hobgoblin gets that pumpkin bomb back to throw at Spidey again. That attack has occured, and Spidey evaded it. I am not saying you are wrong by the way UDE wrote the rules. I am saying the rule itself is wrong. That is not the way an attack would occur. If what how UDE is using the rule is correct, then not only would Spidey evade the attack then he would also get his counterattack. I mean really, have u ever seen the hero or villian not get a counter attack after evading the aggressors attack? Usually its a web shot to the face or some other comeback. So if we want to use the rule as UDE has made it then the evading characters attack back should count. It just does not make logical sense otherwise.

Another thing you all have to understand is that you can use evasion whenever you want, not just when attacking and defending. You could use evasion during the build phase if you wanted to and stun all your guys (which is pretty stupid, but allowed).

Evasion may be used any time you have priority.

In addition, this is not about flavor but rules.

The rules state very clearly that if the defnder loses the defender characteristic, the attacker or attackers will ready barring a modifier to the contrary.