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07/10/2022, 17:25

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Losing out wit

If one of my characters has been outwitted and the opposing character loses outwit does my power return immediately or does it stay outwitted until my opponents next turn.. and thank you in advance for answering my question

07/10/2022, 19:22

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I don’t have the necessary documentation handy, but if a character uses Outwit and then loses it, the power chosen by Outwit returns.
A veteran rules expert can tell you the why.

Fair play.

07/10/2022, 23:14

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I believe I found the pertinent section from the comprehensive rule book, 20.4. SOMEONE PLEASE CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG
Apologies as I’m on mobile.
“Two distinct but related things can happen to stop effects from being used, being ‘lost’ or ‘can’t be used.’ Powers or abilities that are lost or that can’t be used:
Can’t be activated with an action.
Can’t have any effects trigger.
Can’t have their passive effects applied.
An effect can’t be used when another effect uses the word ‘can’t’ or it is lost.”
My interpretation is that outwit is lost therefore its effect can’t be used as per the last sentence I quoted.

Fair play.

07/10/2022, 23:33

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Quote : Originally Posted by SaferSephiroth

I got you, One-Winged Angel, I'm on my computer. Outwit sets up a duration of "until your next turn" and when the power is lost/can't be used this duration ends immediately.

Here's the other relevant rule, I bolded the specifically relevant part of the rule:

Quote : Originally Posted by 20.3 Durations

Some effects persist even after an action or triggered effect has resolved. The length of time these effects last is called a duration. Durations “expire” when the condition for ending them is met or the power/ability that granted them can’t be used or is lost. Durations can be identified in the following ways:

• Any effect that says “until” is setting up a duration. “Until your next turn” and other turn-duration effects are common, but “until this character clears action tokens,” or “until this character moves,” or “until you activate this power again,” or many other durations are possible. “Until” is the primary, and by far most common, means to indicate a duration.
• “this turn” is a shorthand phrase that means “until the end of this turn.”
• “for the rest of the game” or “this game” is a duration that means “until the end of the current game” (and is assumed to include the phrase “even if lost”).
• “as long as” is a conditional duration that means “until a specific thing changes.”

A triggered effect that triggers off an attack or move (“when [character] attacks, “when [character] hits”, etc.) is assumed to have a duration that expires when the attack or move resolves unless otherwise noted. Similarly, any triggered effect that triggers off an action (“when
[character] is given an action”, etc.) or any effect granted by the action (a list of Improved abilities at its beginning, etc.) is assumed to have a duration that expires when the action resolves, unless otherwise noted.

An effect with a duration that is lost or can’t be used immediately ends its duration unless specifically stated otherwise.

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07/10/2022, 23:52

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Glad to see you! Thanks for the knowledge drop.
Gensan knows his rules, so if you don’t trust me, you can certainly trust his posts which are supported by his encyclopedic knowledge of pertinent sections of the comprehensive rule book.
Hope you got your help you needed in a timely manner, Cle002.

Fair play.

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