### outsiders TA allows you to prevent one character from powers or TA's modifying that characters combat values. I understand how this can be used against a player to prevent that character from being Defended, ESD'd, using RCE, CCE, or BCF, and how it prevents ### Bat Enemy TA and ### JSA TA.

Offensively I've never seen ### following, but I don't know why they shouldn't work according to ### way ### rules are written. Using ### outsiders TA to

1, Pulsewave with your full damage value
2, Incapacitate and do damage
3, Quake for your full damage value
4, Energy Explosion for your full damage value

Each of these powers modifies a combat value (damage), and therefore use of ### outsiders TA ought to allow each of these. If not, why not.

Am I ### first to notice this?

You're incorrect.

### words "modify" "replace" and "becomes" are all different.

Outsiders prevents "modify". It does not prevent "replace" or "becomes". Nearly all (or all) your examples are invalid.

What ### devil? t h e is now censored?

Even though I have several Outsider figs, I've never used +he TA to do anything other than prevent characters from being Perplexed up/down. I don't any reason why you wouldn't be able to use it to byspass +he damage reduction of PW, Incap, Quake and EE. Quite deadly, if you think about, especially with two or three Enhancement characters-- 7 EE on Wildfire or Ultimate Iron Man (ouch!), 6 damage+Incap on Batman, etc.

However, Outsiders still allows feats to deal additional damage on attacks (Haymaker, Pounce), since combat values aren't being modified. Its' also ### main reasoning behind making +he TA unique (non-copyable).

Carp. Late post.

How am I incorrect, you're post is not useful unless it points out where I am wrong and what examples were correct. please post answers that have some point.

i.e.

Outsiders TA specifies modify, which means powers and TA's which add or subtract from a characters combat value. ### TA's would be Shield and Gotham PD, ### powers would be RCE, CCE, and Enhance.

I assume this is what you mean, however I am unsure from trivially useless and rude post. can someone else confirm this is ### correct interpretation of ### TA.

Modify is too ambiguous. Perhaps +he Outsiders TA description should read like following:

Once at ### beginning of your turn, as a free action, an Outsiders team member on your force may choose a target friendly or opposing character. +he team member must be within 10 squares of ### target and have a clear line of fire to +he target. Until +he beginning of your next turn,+he target’s combat values cannot be increased, decreased or replaced by +he effects of powers or team abilities. This team ability cannot be copied by wild card team abilities.

Might make it easier to clarify what can and cannot be changed.

I didn't see his reply as being all that rude....

Anyway:

Icons Rulebook page 14, Replacement Values and Modifiers:
Becomes=Replacement Value=unaffected by Outsiders.

Becomes=Replacement value=unaffected by Outsiders.

Becomes=Replacement value=unaffected by Outsiders.

1. Becomes=Replacement value=unaffected by Outsiders.
2. "Each character successfully hit is dealt damage equal to ### number of times ### character was hit by this attack."-So, Damage Value has absolutely no effect on Damage Dealt by EE.

Does this answer your questions....?

Thank you psylockeslover, I think I understand now.

So Outsiders TA 'blocks' ### following powers

1, Close Combat Expert
2, Ranged Combat Expert
3, Enhancement
4, Perplex
5, Energy Shield/Deflection
6, (after ### upcoming rules change) Combat Reflexes

and ### following Team Abilities

A, Shield
B, Gotham PD
C, AIM

because these add to (or in ### case of perplex may detract from) a combat value.

Outsiders Team Ability does not affect any of ### examples I mentioned earlier.

I felt Tranfotaku's reply was rude because he stated I was incorrect when I was asking a question, and I am unsure how a question can be incorrect (I listed a series of postulates and asked why they didn't work). He then said an unspecified number of my examples were invalid, and chose not to elaborate. He stated that three different words were different but didn't explain how. I felt it was a response geared more to tell me that I did not understand than to help me understand.

My response was also rude.

Wouldn't ### Ult. X-Men/2000 A.D. TAs also be nullified via Outsiders?

You are correct, sir. Those TAs would also be affected.

Don't forget Alpha Flight.

To ### OP: A short answer is not a rude answer. Heroclix is a game where ### wording counts. Semantics. Modify, replace, and becomes are all different words to ### game itself, even if they are similes (which, really, they aren't) to us. Attack and Action are likewise different. And as of Icons, going off memory, those 3 words are defined in ### Glossary.

Theory's good, woulda made ### TA wonderful, I was just pointing out where it was incorrect and why, in a quick post.