Say I T-Bolt my Avengers team to, say, Bat Ally. My Ant-Man can see through my allies to Perplex other teammates with "Coordination".

However, if my opponent has Bat-Ally, can he see through my teammates as well to target my Ant-man? Or would he still need the Avengers TA to see through my allies?

Thanks.

Can't remember exactly, but if the card says team symbol, which I think it does, only Avengers would be able to see Ant-Man.

Remember team symbol and ability are 2 different things.

Your opponent is not required to have the Team Ability to see through your figures to your Coordinator.

edit: Hmm. And since it says team symbol, your Ant-Man can't see through your Bat Allies, either. Basically, lines of fire to and from Ant-Man are not blocked by characters with the Avengers team symbol.

EDIT: I said some thing both wrong and dumb. Thanks for the put-back, ZZZ.

First, it is the same Team Symbol.

Second, line of fire is not blocked BY characters with the same Team Symbol. Let's say that you have a team of Avengers only and I have a team of JSA only. If you are using Coordination on Captain America, Captain America can have all of his fellow Avengers stand right in front of him and they do not block his LOF. However, My JSAers can also see right through that line of Avengers back to Cap. I do not have to share a team symbol with you in order to be able to see you through your friendly characters,

Wow. I had a complete brain-fart. I knew all of that and I posted incorrectly anyway.

If your whole team is Bat-thunderbolted Avengers in hindering, you would be able to Perplex any of your team-mates not blocked by other features, terrain, enemies etc. The Coordination point that may be in contention is that it does not ignore the prevailing TA, in this case stealth, which means that no one can draw line of fire to the the figure w/o Superman Ally or Ultimates. Without a return LOF (due to stealth) you effectively negate the only down-side to the card.

Now here is a question. Let's say I have Coordination on E Batgirl and she is in the back of the map, in hindering terrain. Now I have V Nightwing infront of her..so she can still see through him. However, could your opponent still see Batgirl...I know they can see through Nightwing, but the card doesn't say that it sees through hindering. Wouldn't she still be stealthed? Unless of course the opponent is Ultimates or Superman Ally...I know that part.


EDIT: Celestial posted this before I could word it properly...

ZZZ: However, My JSAers can also see right through that line of Avengers back to Cap. I do not have to share a team symbol with you in order to be able to see you through your friendly characters,

Veg: Wait, wait...

Forgive me for being dense here, please have a little patience with me---

The card specifically states "Lines of fire to and from the character are not blocked by characters with the same team symbol."

If you have JSA (or any other TA other than the Avengers TA), how is that you can see through my T-Bolted Avengers figures to see my Ant-Man???


Celestial: If your whole team is Bat-thunderbolted Avengers in hindering, you would be able to Perplex any of your team-mates not blocked by other features, terrain, enemies etc. The Coordination point that may be in contention is that it does not ignore the prevailing TA, in this case stealth, which means that no one can draw line of fire to the the figure w/o Superman Ally or Ultimates. Without a return LOF (due to stealth) you effectively negate the only down-side to the card.

Veg: Huh? I was under the impression that despite the "effect" the TA gives, I would still be able to see through my T-Bolted Avengers/Bat-Ally team because of the Team Symbol.

On another note, what if I just "turned off" my T-Bolted Avengers/Bat-Ally. Would I then be able to see through them?

Thanks in advance.

You're forgiven...
The key word here is by. LOF is not blocked by characters sharing a Team Symbol. If I had to share your Team Symbol then it would read more along the lines of "Lines of fire to and from the character are not blocked to characters with the same team symbol" or for or something. By, people, by.
Remember, terrain and characters not sharing the Team Symbol still affect line of fire. Coordinating Antman can see through any character with an Avengers Team Symbol, but not through any figure without it. All characters can see Antman through other figures with the Avengers Team Symbol, but if that LOF crosses hindering terrain, and Antman is stealthy, then I can't see him (providing I don't have Ultimates or Superman Ally TA.)


You could see through them, but you couldn't see to them. If you turned off your TA before the action began then you could perplex them with a friendly Coordinating fig.

What Celestial is saying is...
If I play a team of all Batman Ally and you play a team of all JSA, then:
I can have all of my Bat Ally figures in front of my Batman who is occupying Hindering terrain. He can draw LOF through all of the Batman Allies and Outwit or attack your JSAer if your JSAer is in range of that particular action. Your JSAer, however, cannot attack Batman back. You could still draw LOF through all of my Bat Ally figures, but since Batman is occupying hindering terrain and LOF to him that cross HT are blocked, then you cannot see me to perform an action.

Ok, I finally get it (don't know why it took so long to hit me).

So, essentially, the only real characters that might benefit from this card are people with Stealth, correct? (barring a Superman/Ultimates opponent)

Or if you have extremely long range, or multiple targets, or mastermind (or all 3 at once, say hello Ultimate Professer X), or a team ability or power that requires adjacency, or want the most out of brilliant tactician, or if you'd like to shoot at chargers without range with a meatshield between you and them, just to name a few of the possible applications for this feat.

Seriously, it's a 6 point feat. Why was everyone so keen to believe it worked like Trick Shot?

A figure w/ Camouflage would benefit as well as long as he's next to a wall/blocking.