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12/05/2007, 19:09

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Quote : Originally Posted by Jakgotbak

I'm kind of shocked that we've gotten 28 posts into this thread with no one posting the following:

Quote : Originally Posted by Lionel Hutz

This all goes back to the Frank Wallbanger case of '78. How about that! I looked something up! These books behind me don't just make the office look good, they're filled with useful legal tidbits just like that!

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12/05/2007, 19:28

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Quote : Originally Posted by Alice in Wonderland, Edited for Context

Alice: I beg your pardon, but uhh... did you... oh, that’s nonsense. Rulebooks can’t help.

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12/05/2007, 23:24

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Quote : Originally Posted by MattMinus

Actually, NO! If you're gonna come in making crazy claims like this you need to be able to produce teh ruling. Otherwise, you're begging for flames.

Oookaaay...yeah.

Not sure what prompted that response.

I was asking a question and used an instance where it was ruled that way during a Battle for Galactus event. I even implied in my post that I could've been incorrect.

I usually can produce a ruling, but my apologies for having to go into work and then choosing to shovel the snow in the parking lot of my apartment. In the future I'll try not to be off the Realms for more than 6 hours at a time.

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12/06/2007, 16:43

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Quote : Originally Posted by Jakgotbak

I'm kind of shocked that we've gotten 28 posts into this thread with no one posting the following:

Well, that is somewhat of a tangent. There really aren't any 'at the beginning of your turn' powers involved in the OP's question. We're really not wondering why Outwit then Poison works, just wether you can choose to continue to Outwit Stealth that has been Outwit'ted on a prior turn, but is now in hindering. Outwit could be used at 'the beginning of your turn' but doesn't have to. Just like Perplex could be used before you determine poison, but isn't necessarily 'at the beginning of your turn' as you could also use Perplex/Outwit after using poison, but prior to taking any other actions.

12/06/2007, 17:20

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Quote : Originally Posted by Hero_guy

Well, that is somewhat of a tangent. There really aren't any 'at the beginning of your turn' powers involved in the OP's question.

Quote : Originally Posted by Mr. Cranberry

Just been thinking about this lately. We all know that you can OW a figures Stealth and so long as you have clear sight to that figure you can choose to OW them again just prior to the start of your next turn if they occupy hindering terrain.

But do you need to OW Stealth? Or could you say...OW that figure's CR or Super Senses?

Quote : Originally Posted by Jakgotbak

I'm kind of shocked that we've gotten 28 posts into this thread with no one posting the following:

Quote : Originally Posted by LoSH Rulebook, Page 16

Some game effects may occur at the beginning of a player’s turn. These effects are noted on the powers and abilities card or in the rules text for the effect, which are found on feat cards, on battlefield condition cards, as part of scenarios, or elsewhere. Prior to initiating these effects, any effects that last “until the beginning of your turn” resolve. Then effects that occur “at the beginning of your turn” may be performed in any order, as chosen by the active player (the player whose turn it is). After all players have taken a turn, effects that occur “at the end of a round” resolve, followed by effects that occur “at the beginning of a round” as the next round of turns begins.

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OUTWIT (OPTIONAL): Once during your turn (but not during another action), as a free action this character counters a power possessed by a single target opposing character. Treat the target as if it does not possess the countered power. That power remains countered until the beginning of your next turn. A character using this power must be within 10 squares of the target and have a clear line of fire to the target. Instead of a power, you may choose to counter an opposing flying character’s ability to soar; in this case, lower the soaring character to hovering mode. If this character loses Outwit or is KOd, the countered power returns immediately.

Since the OP is trying to use OW at the beginning of his turn to counter a power before his prior use of OW ends, it certainly seems like the 'at the beginning of your turn' timing is very relevant, and the quotes from Jakgotbak clearly indicate why it can't be done.

How exactly is that a tangent then?

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Ok fine not Trickshot. Geez, everyone jump on my back at once why don't you?

At least he didn't suggest using Trickshot to OW through Stealth...

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12/07/2007, 17:36

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Quote : Originally Posted by Jakgotbak

I'm kind of shocked that we've gotten 28 posts into this thread with no one posting the following:

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Originally Posted by LoSH Rulebook, Page 16
Some game effects may occur at the beginning of a player’s turn. These effects are noted on the powers and abilities card or in the rules text for the effect, which are found on feat cards, on battlefield condition cards, as part of scenarios, or elsewhere. Prior to initiating these effects, any effects that last “until the beginning of your turn” resolve. Then effects that occur “at the beginning of your turn” may be performed in any order, as chosen by the active player (the player whose turn it is). After all players have taken a turn, effects that occur “at the end of a round” resolve, followed by effects that occur “at the beginning of a round” as the next round of turns begins.

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OUTWIT (OPTIONAL): Once during your turn (but not during another action), as a free action this character counters a power possessed by a single target opposing character. Treat the target as if it does not possess the countered power. That power remains countered until the beginning of your next turn. A character using this power must be within 10 squares of the target and have a clear line of fire to the target. Instead of a power, you may choose to counter an opposing flying character’s ability to soar; in this case, lower the soaring character to hovering mode. If this character loses Outwit or is KOd, the countered power returns immediately.

Thank-You. This is partly where the question comes from.

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12/07/2007, 17:57

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It breaks down like this:

a) Outwit lasts until the beginning of the turn.

b) A power that is already Outwitted can not be Outwitted again.

c) A character with Outwit must be able to draw LoF to the target of the Outwit.

d) Poison is activated at the beginning of the turn.

e) Free actions can be given at any point during the turn.

f) Poison and Outwit are free actions.

Outwit then Poison works because of a, d, e and f.

'Maintaining' and Outwit does not work because of a.

Outwitting a figure in stealth does not work because of c.

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