He did...post #3.

but the character still has to meet the prerquisite for the feat without the ICWO feat. ppl seem to forget this....

You are this close to being only the second person I've ever added to my ignore list.

Was it me?

Nope.


The first one I added was years ago. I hate to use "ignore"; even people I don't agree with are welcome to their opinion. I save it for the special occasions

I hope to be special... Some day.

So, never thought of this but... if you had BT and had two perplexes (vie ICWO) could you use them both on multiple people, or just one of them?

According to the helpful erreta pointed out by normalview, no.

It depends.

As Sate points out, having a natural Perplex printed on the dial will prevent you from gaining another via ICwO.

If it was a person like Mr. Fantastic who gains the use of Perplex through a special power, then it can work.

Mr. Fantastic possesses Inventive Genius. This allows him to use, but not possess, Perplex, so he could gain a second Perplex from ICwO and also use it with BT.



It is important to note some things, though.

"INVENTIVE GENIUS: Mr. Fantastic can use Perplex, but he can modify the target's combat values by +2 or -2 if he is targeting himself of another character with which he shares a keyword."

Reed's power is worded such that the +/- 2 is only happening when he uses the Perplex from Inventive Genius. The result is that the Perplex from ICwO will be the normal +/- 1.

Compare that to Dr. Strange.
"Wand of Watoomb: Dr. Strange can use Perplex. When Dr. Strange uses Perplex, you can roll a d6; on a result of 5 or 6, you can modify the target’s chosen combat value by up to +2 or –2."

This is worded in such a way that a Perplex gained from ICwO will also fall into the effect of the special power.

So Prof X with Cerebro SP using perplex, BT triggering off of Cerebro AND off of an Oracle-granted Perplex, Prof X can perplex all the x-men 3 times?

Not quite.

"Cerebro: Professor X can use Perplex. When Professor X uses Perplex, he can use it normally or choose a single keyword and affect every target friendly character 10 or fewer squares from Professor X that possess that keyword, (including himself, if he possesses the keyword) and to which Professor X has a clear line of fire."

BT would not allow a double Perplex on the figures with the chosen keyword, but it would work twice. ("it" being the Perplexing of all the guys with the chosen keyword.)

Ok, so

Prof X w/ BT:
He can perplex everyone with the X-Men keyword(for instance) once for the SP and once for the BT.

Prof X w/ ICWO-granted perplex can use perplex from the SP and is granted perplex from ICWO. So he can Cerebro-plex the x-men and then use ICWO perplex seperately.

Prof X w/ ICWO-granted perplex AND BT can:
- Cerebro-plex the x-men,
- BT-plex the x-men triggered off of the cerebro-plex, and
- THEN BT the x-men triggered off of the ICWO-plex.

Which of these is wrong and why?

Nope.

With BT, he really doesn't get much use out of the special part of his SP.

He still can only Perplex each person one time.

Yes, and when he uses the ICwO Perplex, the "when he uses Perplex..." part of his SP kicks in again to let him Perplex all of the X-Men again.

Nope.

Again, he can only affect a person once with each use of Perplex.

See the Player's Guide: "* Perplex can only be used once on each character by the Brilliant Tactician. A target cannot be chosen for the initial perplex as well as the follow up perplex (if the team symbol or keyword was shared)"

You don't get nearly as much bang for your buck putting BT on Professor X. It does make his Perplex slightly more useful, but it doesn't add as much oomph as it does to a regular Perplexer.

I see, so in using his SP he is choosing all of the x-men as the initial perplex, and thus cannot perplex them via BT. That makes sense, thanks.