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They must of changed the wording cause now it sucks if your opponent is outsiders'ed !!!
It was changed with the Blackest Night PAC to make it easier to understand what happens when the character making the ranged combat attack is attacking multiple targets, but the character using the Police TA can only draw LOF to one of them.
Part 2 says : Target's defense is lowered by -1 for each character USING the TA. Adjacency is not required at this point, only LOF....
Actually one more thing is required in this second part:
You have to be USING the TA in order to be counted amoung the -1.
What you are failing to show in the second part is what "WHEN" qualifiers have you established to be USING the power in the first place.
This as NV points out brings us back to part 1, which requires not only adjaceny, but a ranged attack.
Would you argue that you could USE the power outside a Ranged Attack, then how do you argue for USE outside of Adjacency?
A non-HeroClix example:
Quote
Having a Good Time
WHEN the Music is turned the People ON THE DANCE FLOOR are ALLOWED to DANCE. The number of people "Having a Good Time" is equal to the Number of Dancing People ALLOWED to Dance.
As you will note here the conditions of the first statement are not repeated in the second statement. Yet the conditions loose no weight when counting the number of people "Having a "Good Time"
There might be some people Dancing on the Bars instead of the Dance Floor, but those guys are NOT "Having a Good Time" as they are getting a Meet and Greet from some very angry bouncers.
The same is true here...If you dont meet the conditions from the first rule, you dont get "Counted in the Good Times" for the second rule.
"A Jester unemployed is nobody's fool." - The Court Jester "And so he says, I don't like the cut of your jib, and I go, I says it's the only jib I got, baby!
This may be true if a power or abilitiy begins with a "WHEN" qualifier. There is at least one reasonable interpretation of the rules that suggests that a power isnt being USEd unless the WHEN condition is being met.
As such I think your point might have been more clear if you underlined the "WHEN" part as well.
With the Police TA that "WHEN" requirements only occurs at the first half of the power and requires adjacency.
The second half of the TA doesnt explictly get around the "WHEN" requirement, so there is plenty of reason to believe that adjacency is a requirement throughout the USE of the Ability.
Would the Ability be in USE if a Close-Combat Attack was occuring? Obviously not, so we need to draw on that first part to determine what qualifies for USE.
I understand what you are saying, both of you. I'm not completly convince that it is as clear as you say, though. Maybe because I'm french, when I read the TA I still see the first sentence as a condition that must be met for the attacker to gain any benefit, not a limitation on which characters can use the TA to grant this benefit if said condition is met. After all the sentence is revolving around what the attacker must do, not what the Hydra/Police character must do (which is, in my opinion, a bad way to describe a TA : it should be written to describe what the character with the TA must do)
EDIT : In other words, the condition needed to use the TA (I agree that there must be one) can be understood that way :
For any character to use the TA, the attacker must be adjacent to one or more of them. It doesn't have to be the same, since the attacker is the one triggering the effect.
I do think that an errata would definitly solve this, but if it doesn't come, I'll live with it. I was using the TA the proper way before and I'll continue using it that way now. And I'll use your explanation to whoever see the new wording as I do.
Last edited by Captain Krueger; 07/16/2010 at 06:23..