You're missing the point completely:


The power doesn't need to use the word target; having a target is part of making an attack (unless said attack specifically says otherwise, like PW).

Would you argue that you don't need to draw LOF when using Penetrating/Psychic Blast or RCE, since those powers don't specifically say that you need to draw LOF? I'd be willing to bet, no, you would not try to argue that... and why is that? Because those powers involved ranged combat attacks and LOF is part of ranged combat attacks.

I agree, but that is not the same logic that was pointed out during the discussion of Ulik's SP and wether or not Penetrating Damage would effect it. My argument was that since penetrating fits the glossary definition of the word ignore that Ulik's power would override it. It was pointed out by several people that because penetrating does not use the term ignore, it does not ignore, even though the definition fit, therefore penetrating overrides Ulik's power. It ws pointed out oh-so-clearly that because the term is not used, it does not matter if it fits the definition- it is a different game effect that has the same result as the glossary term, in essence.

Just wanting some logical consistancy is all.

You are aware that that quote comes from a Rush song (Free Will), and not Harpua, correct?

I agree with this....its just one of those decisions that follows an intent that doesnt really match the power.

I am fine with the answer "Its been clarified by the PG."

But saying "All attacks target" doesnt really answer the question.

Remember I cant choose to only target the opposing figures with Quake that I want to KB.

The inherent nature with Quake is that you get all or none.....and the only way that this is not the case is via the PG....

PG Entry p.2-2
In the long run the Quake PAC Entry needs a re-wording.

Suggested rewording....
I dont think its necessary to say that an Attack Targets, but it is necessary to establish that their are multiple different Attacks with one attack roll.

The problem that doesnt jive with the current wording is that the way its worded right now there is only 1 ATTACK regardless of the number of Targets.

Bear in mind here that Energy Explosion already sets the precedent that you dont need to Target to compare values or to deal damage with an attack.

But penetrating doesn't ignore. The reduction powers simply don't apply to it. Just as they don't apply to Incap. You don't say Incap "ignores" damage reducers, do you?

Rules lawyers, man... Ulik's power is worded that way for a reason. Don't twist it just because you want it to work a different way.

Your consistency is found on Page 8 of the rulebook

As normalview said, The PAC is not the full definition of the rules, its a supliment to the rules.

The larger point should be that targeting with this power doesnt even matter.

However, that point is also trumped by the other rule of consistency..."The Player Guide is an overriding extension of the rules whether it follows the exact wording of other rules or not."