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Originally posted by Andyh I refer you to the definition of "free move" in the glossary ... now please explain how Top Cow etc does not meet this definition.
The glossary defines what a free action is. This does not mean that other things which have some of the same properties are also free actions. Free actions are those which are explicitly said to be so in the PAC. It appears that Poison and Probability Control are not free actions, for example, because the PAC doesn't say that they are. Nor is use of the Top Cow team ability.
Originally posted by Miraclo After checking the rule book (including the glossary section describing what free actions are) and the PAC, I'm still standing by what I've said. Am I missing another reference in the rules? My impression is that the NAAT bit (as shown by this acronym which doesn't appear to show up in the rule book, showing that it's been kicked around by the judges) may have become more iron clad in myth than in fact.
Actually, it has been ruled (unless it has changed since I last looked, lots of stuff going down today) that the avengers, etc free moves are usable as the free move in the taxi scenario. JLA flash can even make a hypersonic attack (moving, not stationary) w/ his free move w/ the new rules as the HSS is considered a free move.
Originally posted by SgtHulka As for Mind Control, this was clearly changed for two reasons:
1) Mind Control is pretty close to being the same point value cost as incapacitate, and is clearly superior (but not anymore).
2) A "Mind Control Chain" where you first mind control saturn girl, who next mind controls eclipso, who next mind controls despero, is no longer as hurtful as it once was, since they don't all get action tokens. Now the only reason to do it is to mind control someone out of range or someone who you'd have a hard time hitting (i.e., saturn girl has a higher attack value than your mind controller has).
It can still cause damage, you MC saturn girl who MC's eclipso, (SG takes 1 click damage for 100+ points) Eclipso MC's Despero (1 damage +100) not as good but still not terrible.
Does this mean that you can mind control the same character multiple times a turn? ie. I have Brainiac 13, The Key and Circe. Circe MC's Nightwing, has him attack Robin who was standing beside him. Nightwing doesn't get an action token. Now The Key MC's Nightwing to attack poor Robin again. No action token placed. Braniac 13 MC's Nightwing so he acts a third time, no action token placed.
Or is the rule no one can act more than once in the same turn going to come into play there? Seems to me it's making MC less effective. So MC doesn't cause damage on a critical, it doesn't cause pushing damage, it doesn't stop the MCed character from retalliating (since he can act fine on his own turn), and the Mind Controler still takes damage if the target has a point cost higher than 99 points. Ouch...
Hopefully under the new rules a person with two tokens can still be MC. Otherwise MC is suddenly a weak power. Particularly for those who are just MCers and nothing else (Mad Hatter, Puppet Master, Saturn Girl, Prof X, etc..) At least Brianiac 13, The Key, and Circle have other powers or actual damage stats so they can do something outside of MC.
Actually, it has been ruled (unless it has changed since I last looked, lots of stuff going down today) that the avengers, etc free moves are usable as the free move in the taxi scenario. JLA flash can even make a hypersonic attack (moving, not stationary) w/ his free move w/ the new rules as the HSS is considered a free move.
Not the case. Team abilities that allow for non-allotment move actions are not free actions, nor were they even tentatively ruled that way. You may be mistaking the ruling that Flash's moving HSS attack can be attributed to the JLA ability and not require an action from your allotment, but otherwise I don't know where this is coming from.
Originally posted by JasonPotapoff Question regarding Mind Control.
Does this mean that you can mind control the same character multiple times a turn? ie. I have Brainiac 13, The Key and Circe. Circe MC's Nightwing, has him attack Robin who was standing beside him. Nightwing doesn't get an action token. Now The Key MC's Nightwing to attack poor Robin again. No action token placed. Braniac 13 MC's Nightwing so he acts a third time, no action token placed.
Or is the rule no one can act more than once in the same turn going to come into play there?
Actually, there is a rule that says you can only affect 1 target per lighting bolt. In other words, I would expect that, barring that, you would be able to do what you mentioned (poor Robin).
Anyone know of any contrary rulings?
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Originally posted by Crow mbdeyes: That sounds correct to me.
By the way, can you give me the name/issue of the comic that your signature is from (with the Poison Ivy controlled Supes)
It was the actual Batman title, earlier this year, written by Jeff Leob, and drawn by Jim Lee (both incredible, worth getting the ENTIRE Hush story arc).
The main battle happens in issue 612, but you will want to look at 611 for background. I have all the issues (with the exception of the Sept issue, for obvious reasons) starting with this team's first in 608. The Sept one is the last one in the story arc (also last one for this team for a while).
If you're familiar with the Batman history/mythos, you might be interested to know that issue 617 (July issue) ended with the once dead Jason Todd (2nd Robin) all grown up and back from the dead at the end of the issue. It resolved itself nicely in this months issue, which I just got today.
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