the opposite of GGGGGGGO

I have no idea

I like the 700 point team

I know a spade by how it looks in according to other spades and what has been defined by as spade. But in team building it is not that clear. I also take the old Crancompany stance of thematic play doesn't always mean roll over and die play.

I'm not trying to start drama. Please keep that in mind with my questioning?

What is the support limit of casual? Ie 1 or 2 of any support power. Only 1 figure doing high damage of over 3.

Is there a volume of figures or mechanic limit?

Do I just avoid playing figures that are common in the meta?

I'm looking for parameters and maybe some guidelines for assessment.

S.upport
T.elekenesis
O.utwit
P.erplex
P.robability Control

Rock 810 coined the phrase.

Like I said, there is nothing inherently wrong with your team, but it's hardly a casual laid back team.

There really are no set 'parameters', and it depends on the build total IMO, to have a cap on # of supports powers. Look at the team I posted. Almost 1,000 points. 2 Perplex, 3 PC, 2 Outwit, 1 TK. Even at 300 points more than your team, I barely have more support powers and I felt kind of dirty playing that team. Here are the other 2 teams I played last night:

333 (Monster)

180 SM036 Composite Superman
65 AA044 Yellow Lantern
54 SM104 Zibarro
15 SI002 Moloid
8 CM002 Moloid
6 CM001 Moloid
5 GXS101 Crimson Gem of Cyttorak
333

666 (Great Ten)

107 AA058 Chang Tzu
100 JL034 August General in Iron
68 AA035 Ghost Fox Killer
61 CR044 Accomplished Perfect Physician
30 SM005 Seven Deadly Brothers x10
20 JLF003 Brilliant Tactician
5 AAF002 Lunge
5 AAF002 Lunge

Those are fun thematic casual teams. I lost all 3 games last night, but the 333 point and 999 point games could have gone either way with a few dice rolls swinging my way. The 666 team got destroyed by a Kryptonian team.

I agree that theme doesn't mean you have to roll over and die. I play theme 95% (or more) of the time, and I win more than I lose even when I play against min./max. teams.

Again, it's just personal choice. But you asked, and I figured that since you asked, you 'knew' that your team was a 'problem'. Otherwise, why ask?

Really the issue came out of a running conversations out of the last few weeks between myself and 2 other players. I've gotten some jokingly snide comments on some of my teams, which I will post below. Some of the disdain comes around my use of prob. Some of it was people not being able to hit my figures.


Thing is I play toward a formation type teams. I am very much one of those guys that boosts up one figure for a strong attack and use a lot of mid level guys. I've been spending a lot of time refining my play and experiment pool at home to possibly do a Gencon run or at least have better analysis for my show. I have a good part of my formation tech down. My positioning technique needs work but I have been working on that quite a bit.

Here are my teams from the last few weeks.Oldest to newest...

400pt Golden age no BFCs
Teen Titans

Beast Boy 60
Robin 79
Starfire 96
E Speedy 35 x2 70
R Raven 56
Lian Harper x 2
Not So Special 3
BT 20
Spoter x2 10
Scopio Key 4

3-0

300pt modern age

300 pt modern age

E1 Chase Supes 107
Manchester Black 96
Tarot 47
Johnny Quick 50

2-1

500pt non-generic theme team golden age

Emma Frost 107
Sage 60
Hellfire Guard 11
Hellfire Guard 37
Magneto 189
Storm 86
Val Cooper 7
Lian Haper x 3

3-0 second place due to points

Two 600 pt non-generic theme teams 6actions no feats, golden age. No bfcs

Scarlet Witch 35 x2 70 prob/barrier f
SI Dr. Strange 149 tk wildcard f
Cap Invisible Woman 110 tk/prob f
Steve Rogers 99
SI Spider Man 50
Jarvis 36 outwit
R Antman 48 outwit
V Echo 38

Metropolis
E1 Superman 107 f
Eradicator 135 f
Orign Superman 93
Cyborg Supes 140 free attack tk f
Supes Superboy 125 perplex /tk f

Dumpster
Shield disrupter
Vine

3-0 This was for Superman Beyond. Had to go hard! Toughest game was 8 Supes Supes @150.

1200 modern age


Cap Nick Fury 109
Quasar 263
Darksied 267
Frost Giant 100pts
dc75th Superman 120
She-Thing 50
Hydra Agent 25
Tarot 47
S.H.I.E.L.D. Specialist 37
S.H.I.E.L.D. Specialist 37
Scorpio Key 4
Eddie Brock 42 >>>anti-venom
Archangel 99

3-0
I thought this was toned down. Maybe 1 prob at max. Lots of fodder for Darksied. Quasar is not the most efficient striker. Two real attackers for over 1000 pts is hella risky I thought.

I don't think any of those teams are particularly min./max. TBH. Though maybe the 2 SR Scarlet Witches is a little much. I'm surprised you beat the x8 Superman team with that last team, though Darkseid and Quasar are pretty beastly.

Here is a question though: what types of teams are you playing against for the most part? Obviously the x8 Superman team is gross, but otherwise how many players at your venue play those types of teams?

Min./max is fine in the right environment. If that's what everyone else is playing, then yeah I'd play it right back. If everyone else is playing the Runaways, Winter Guard, Exiles, Seven Soldiers, Doom Patrol, Outsiders, Metal Men etc etc then playing min./max. is a little much. Again, you don't have to play a team that is going to roll over and die, there are lots of fun theme teams that can still be competitive.

Love the Hellfire Club team BTW, though I prefer the GSX Emma Frost myself, due to the Running Shot and Enhancement.

Beat the 8 Supes with the Avenger/Metropolis team. I was shaking a bit afterward. It was intense. People mainly play what they think is competitive. Sometimes people bring an comic accurate team. Most of those are just playing those teams for fun. Best was the Hydra team with like 15 generics, Baron Struker, and Viper. I so wanted to play against that team because it is rarely seen. There is a Triumvirate at the main venue I play at. It is mainly the 3 of us that win. We all admitted that we plan to play each other. But I make my teams expecting to hit them and I know how they play to an extent. One is very melee oriented and comes with some method to deal 4+ damage. The other hits with massive range and lots of use of tk or other game effects. The second is a tad more techy and positional. So I adopted formation type play to deal with both styles. I favor a primary and secondary attacker, attacking support, and pure support. Thing is in the past when I played pure theme I've gotten rolled. One example of this, believe it or not, was

Fun 800pt team

The Leader 116
contigency plan 12
Black Adam 254 Main damage
Fortitude 25
Iron Widow 118
not so special +3
The Atom 65
The Flash 140 PERPLEX/ENHANCE
swingline 10pts
Armor piercing 10pts
Marvel Girl 40 pts.
Lian Harper x2 2pts
indigo lantern 5pts


and

400 golden age future team no cardboard allowed

Bishop 100
Ahab 68
Wolverine 71
Kid Zoom 87
RIp Hunter 97
Lightning Lad 70

DID SO BAD.

800 golden age no figure under 100pts


Professor X 123 outwit perplex
Mr. Fantastic 100 perplex outwit
Brilliant Tactician 20pts
The Leader 116 outwit prob
Barry Allen 119 hss
Armor Piercing 10pts
Dr. Polaris 111 support
Dr. Doom 200 outwit perplex


300pt golden age



Maelstorm 225
Compel 15
Empath 47
lian harper 1 x 3
Passanger 5
Double time 5

300pts

phone booth
vine
structural integrity field

Behold the list of my failed teams that got owned bad by my venue.