the indy faq states:

If a character is adjacent to blocking terrain, a line of fire drawn through the diagonal between the terrain and the character is blocked.

so if 3 figs formed a "L" : A & B is mine and C is oppenents

AB
C

could C use outwit on A since their LOF goes through the diagonal of blocking terrain (B's bases) and is blocked?

thanks

the ABC "L" shape did not come out as I planned, so change my question to:

can C outwit B?
thanks again

Yes, C can outwit B in that case... however...

AB
CD

If D were another figure, or if D were blocking terrain then C could not draw LOF to B and thus could not Outwit him.

This gets to be confusing a little, and earlier this week I kept making mistakes regarding this. C can hit B with a close combat attack but could not use a ranged attack (my C was hovering). Also I had to think twice about when my opponent's A dropped off D because of the setup, but I figured that they are still adjacent.

It just takes a little getting used to, I suppose.

hows this:

AB
CX

If X is clear or hindering terrain, then C can see B. If X is blocking terrain, then LOF is blocked.

look at it like this:

xxAB
xxxb
xxxb
Cxxb

x is clear terrain, b is blocking terrain.

C cannot see B because LOF passes through the diagonal between A and b.


Does that help......?

I don't think characters constitute blocking terrain. Therefore I don't think two characters would block the diagonal between them.

Page 13 of the Indy Rulebook:
"A line of fire that passes between two characters, even on an exact diagonal, is blocked."

Well, there ya go. The first post IndyClix tournament is gonna be a barrel of fun.

Now, the big question is; can a figure with HSS move through that diagonal? How about leap climb?

I'd better read that rule book.

All your answers are right but they don't adress my point. You all are referring to the statement:

If LOF goes through the diagonal of two adjacent blocking terrian than LOF is blocked.

This is a different and seperate statement than the following:

If a character is adjacent to blocking terrain, a line of fire drawn through the diagonal between the terrain and the character is blocked.

One is not part of the other but they are to differnt rulings.
Please read the second one careful. It says that the diagonals of blocking terrain also block LOF. This is big and no one seems to see it (or I'm seeing it wrong). So

XXBA
XXXX B= blocking A & C = Figs and X = clear terrain
XXXX
CXXX

C and B can no longer have LOF because,
A is adjacent to blocking terrain, and line of fire is drawn through the diagonal between the terrain and A.

This is exactly what the FAQ says.

Am I totally reading this wrong? If so please explain your answer.
thanks

In the case of It is easy to see the diagonal between figure C and blocking terrain B, and so it is clear from the FAQ ruling that LoF cannot be established between A and D.

On the other hand, in your case of there is no such thing as a diagonal between figure A and blocking terrain B. The diagonal is the corner point that joins two diagonally adjacent squares. Two squares that are cardinally adjacent have no diagonal between them, as they are connected by an entire side, and so LoF cannot pass through the diagonal between them.

In that second image, LoF can be established between A and D.

Thank you I finally get it, the statement I'm referring to is saying that the fig and blocking are acting like two squares of blocking terrain so you can refer to the other statement,

thanks, boy do I feel dumb now.

A SHIELD Sniper is in the middle of 8 friendly AIM Operatives:

A A A
A S A
A A A

The target is opposing Dr. Octopus:

O

AAA
ASA
AAA

Okay. Can I declare the HYDRA Team Ability as providing a +5 bonus to the AV due to "kneeling" AIM agents on the front line giving LOS to the Sniper and the Agents on either side of the Sniper?

The Sniper and the agents on either side of her do not have LOF to Doc Oc. Therefor the Sniper can't target him and those other two AIM people can't provide a bonus.

heh.. kneeling? Wow, you're taking Heroclix to a whole new level. I can't tell if this was meant to be humerous or not, but if it's a serious question, then there are no rules to accomodate kneeling so that your figures can see over them.

Yes, kneeling and facing in the direction of the target that is not adjacent to them. I was just curious if the the strategy of havin two lines of fire, where the line infront got down on one knee, aimed, then fired simultaneous to the line behind them (still standing) having a clear line since the friends infront of them did not have their heads in the was of the ranged weapon.

I am trying to get a +5 to an AV. I guess I am not going to be able to get it.

Although two lines of fire works in the recreations I have seen on the History Channel of the American Revolutionary and Civil Wars, I see that it isn't going to cross over into HeroClix.

Most likely for the same reason that soaring characters cannot shoot at grounded targets and why characters taxied by fliers cannot attack during the same turn they were taxied;
Abuse. A +5 from the HYDRA Team Ability is abit much.