Where does it end though? We had a player in sealed show up with a dial list of every character from the set. (I was playing not judging or I would have immediately disallowed it.) He spent large amounts of time checking his damage vs where his opp would wind up on the dial, where a push would put him each turn in relation to that. It was a huge advantage.

I think the ruling is right on on this. Only the clicks showing and nothing more.

Back in the days of infinity challenge my friend wanted to play is vet magneto however the flight stand broke off and fixed but glue ran into the "window" of the dial and couldnt turn it so we made an agreement he could use a print out even though he could see the whole dial but out side of home games he would leave magneto home

Well said damndirtyape! also, in response to your comment pfilgman,
we would draw the line at my thought maybe. only your figures dial could be referenced during game ie: tuck a slip of paper behind the stat card etc... you would not be allowed to view your opponents dials in any way. and in the case of comparing this to a card game.. this is not even close to peeking. as drawing a card is random the clicks on the dial are set in stone. honestly not trying to criticise anyone here its just an opinion which in mine and many others feel would make the game better.

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This has nothing to do with any of my points. Your point that you still have to roll your attacks has nothing to do with the advantages I listed of knowing what is on the dials of the figures on the board.

There is a clear advantage in knowing what will happen if you push, if you're better off taking a token and pushing to theme prob the hit or take the damage, and so forth. Obviously if everyone is allowed to do so then there's no unfair advantage, although I'd contend it will make for a slower game (more info to consider before you make a decision.)
The game design from the beginning was for the next click to be, in some degree, a surprise and increase the random factor. Would it break the game to change it? Nope. Is there a good reason why it should be changed? Again, nope.

Although doing so without permission is incredibly poor manners I don't think there's any rules violation as long as it isn't during the match.

You can feel free to call the judge over, but DEMANDING anything probably isn't going to get you anywhere. The judge has the final say, not the player. DQs are always at the judge's discretion.

I'm reminded of something another judge at a recent big event told me. One player called over the judge in the middle of a game for some dispute. There was a debate over whatever the issue was. In the middle of it, one of the players says "My opponent didn't sign his build sheet. Can I have him DQed?" The judge looks at the table and sees the sheet...signature side down. In other words, the player requesting the DQ obviously had already known about the infraction but hadn't said anything until that point.
The judge DQed nobody. It's at his discretion to do so.
Personally, I'd have strongly considered asking the DQ requester if he really wanted to pursue having his opponent DQed. If the answer was yes, then I'd have DQed him for knowingly allowing his opponent to break the rules.

Agreed. Demanding something rather than asking is a sure way to annoy people in most situations.

In my opinion, DQs should be used as a last resort, not a first resort.
Short of blatant, intentional cheating, I think a warning is a better response to a first offense than a disqualification.

They should really just allow folks to click the characters at any given time to see what's coming up. Everyone has a basic idea of the character anyway it's not like a character's dial is ever a real surprise like in a real street fight, or honestly random like the game "Battleship"...and on top of that the same dial is always the same...(until dials become electronic and randomize themselves somewhat every game within their point value) Also, I just think memorizing most of the dials in complete detail is a lot of work for a low payoff when this is mostly a game of chance. Tho there is an advantage I dont really believe the advantage is too significant in the long run. I dont memorize dials and I usually win cause i build teams around the dice. (high attack, rerollers, characters with barrier to block lof) I have an idea of the figures' powers but a lot of folks take it way too into detail. As a blackjack dealer I watch people who believe in memorizing the known variables all day (even card counters who's eyes dart around to add everything)...and the casino stays in business. Just food for thought right here.

Yeah I was refering to real card games like MTG and whatnot where people actually play competatively, not those silly rigged games they play in vegas. Everyone knows ther eare 60 cards in 5 colors in a deck, not 52 in 4 suits and only 2 colors.

Now, Poker's not really my thing, but your "real card game" comment sure comes off as being pretty disrespectful to people that DO play games like that, and let's be honest, people play it a hell of a lot more competitively than they do Heroclix.

Maybe you have a valid point somewhere, but that sure wasn't a good argument at all.

I think his post should have been teal, but maybe not...