Ok everyone, this has come up in two straight marquee tourny's and both times nobody really knew the answer. Let's say that jean grey wants to tk wolverine...ten spaces correct...w/ line of sight. But does that ten spaces start from where Jean Grey is standing or does it start from where Wolverine is standing...so..basically if u move wolverine up a space above Jean grey you can apparently TK him 11 spaces..so these people have told me. I thought it was from where jean grey was standing...please clarify! And give me some proof if you could either way

Due to an obvious loophole in the rules you can move Wolverine 10 spaces away from where Wolverine was....essentially moving Wolverine 11 spaces from Jean Grey.

that is horrible..hope they fix that....cuz that is bad gaming. thanks for the info!

Why is it bad gaming? Jean Grey and her friends are capable of moving someone stood next to them 10 squares away. Which is 11 from her spot, 10 from the adjacent figure.

LoF is measured from Jean Grey, while range is measured from Wolverine, yes. But calling it an "obvoius loophole" is pretty harsh. Firstly, people have to ask about it fairly often, so I wouldn't call it obvious. But aside from that---I don't see why it's being viewed negatively. Really, I think having the power work the other way would actually make a lot less sense.

If she were able to place the target in any square within 10 of herself, then she would be able to apply more effort to a Wolverine behind her than she could to a Wolverine in front of her, being able to move one of them only 9 squares as opposed to the other's 11.
You're still only TKing him 10 squares. It's just that in this case you used an action beforehand to move him a single square beforehand. If that's going to be worthwhile for you, go ahead, but I don't know why that would be so horrible.

Well said, HeroComplex. Either way this works, there will be an advantage to being on one side of the TKer or the other. And before anyone asks, it works the same way for objects. You count the 10 squares from the object being moved.

This has been, in my experience, one of the most commonly missed rulings. I know a lot of judges who have gotten this question wrong. Until now, it hardly ever came up. But now with the new rules, it is very important. Make sure to tell your friends.

HC,

I call it obvious because it is so to me. My line of thinking is that the power emanates from Jean Grey and not the target of the TK. I guess I would think that there is a 10 square radius from JG and not the target of the TK.

But if you're moving a weight from one spot on the table to another, doesn't it take more effort the farther you're moving it? And so no matter where it starts, the same amount of effort or energy should be able to move the block some distance, not some distance from me.

The Indy rules also now remove the -1 range effect of TK-ing to a higher elevation.

i didnt want to call it an obvious loophole but it could of been more clear in the rules and such. o well, it can work for you and against you so no big deal.

True. But if you are moving an object across the table from a stationary stance your reach is a set distance no matter from where you picked up the object.

So really the difference in views is just about which is the reach and which is the effort, since the two do interact.

The way the game works, Jean Grey's maximum reach is actually 11, as she can place a figure 11 squares away from her in a best case scenario. However, she only has the power to move someone 10 squares within that reach of 11.

In your ideal, her maximum reach is 10, as no matter what a figure can not be placed farther from her than 10 squares. However, she is actually strong enough to move a figure a maximum of 11 squares. This means that she can move the adjacent figure 11 squares, so long as he ends within that reach of 10.

Both instances have power and reach, even if not referenced as such, it's just a matter of which limits which, and which one you think WK should have been talking about on the PAC.

This really isn't any different than taxiing, loophole-wise. You can carry a figure from behind you and place it in front of you at the end of movement, gaining a +2 on that characters distance. so it's actually more than TK.

Brett