I looked at this figure last night and I was dumbfounded, staring at the screen for about 5 minutes. 200 point Batman? And then I realized it; Deathstroke was 156. It's not just about power, it's about what the character can bring to the table. No, he doesn't have Invuln, and Batman really shouldn't unless he's being depicted in some Bat-Armor. This here is a genuinely incredible figure that can give your entire force perma-stealth. He can charge and use pseudo leap/climb while doing so. He can KO Guy Gardner in one turn (with two punches, sadly) and he can take a beating. His dial by itself screams Batman, and his traits and "improved" movement put him into total awesome territory.

Quoted for truth.

don't care how many points he is, as lon as he is accurately costed... do you think he is ?

I like it. My only thing is that I might change his damage to 2 straight through and give him exploit weakness or something along those lines as a trait. Never hitting superhumanly hard, but always making it count. But again, that's just me.

I'd also make the argument that the 200 is only because he has so many freaking clix. Dude just doesn't know when to stay down, which I think is what Batman's all about.

Its so funny that after two sets of Marvel making just ridiculous figures at ridiculous point costs, DC says well we're gonna do a Batman set. I will acquire every figure in this Batman set and I will use every Batman, El Gaucho, Man o Bats, Grayson Batman, BatWing, Knight and Squire, Oracle, Red Robin and Damian figure to destroy the Chanos 'killbox' and Ventry le fay witch teams. I just cannot stop smiling thinking about it. After seeing the Duo Chases from Chaos War, I really hope they make a Batman Inc duo figure of Bruce Wayne Batman and Dick Grayson Batman or a Trinity triple figure of Superman, Wonder Woman and Batman. Man, I really cannot wait until November, just hope they do not push it back.

Totally agree.

Sorry I just dont see the need for a 200 point, 10 clix Batman. I could see 150 points and 8 as a max. But whatever.

I'm torn. He's probably not worth the points, but at the same time, that's a pretty darn good Batman.

He can't be tied down, his damage is right where it should be, and I like Batman having 6 clicks of Flurry. He's going to play exactly like Batman performs in the comics.

As for the cost: His powers are all accurate, as are his stats. There's no reason to arbitrarily decide that certain types of characters should have a cap on how many points they can be.

I agree, there is no realson to "arbitrarily decide" thats why I didnt. I based my opinion on the dials we have for characters in the same weight-class (if you will) as Batman.

Batman is still just a Man, this version feels like a super human at 200 points :)

You're right, but it's not an arbitrary cutoff. It's a kind of shorthand based on my experience and expectations of what kind of power level you can expect from pieces in various point ranges. So for example, when I say Batman should be 80-100 points, I mean I think an accurate Batman is somewhere between OOTS and the Icons E, updated for modern design. I mean that I would estimate the cost of my personal ideal Batman dial, that has everything I'd want Batman to have and nothing more, to 80-some points.

It doesn't mean I think there could never be a good representation of Batman at 120 points or more. While I think Lamppost and the movie Batmen are overdone, the JL52 version is one, and at 139, the new previewed 053b isn't terrible either, although I have some issues with it.

But there comes a point where you can't really add more to the dial without getting an overdone representation. This 200 point Batman is on the far side of that line, by a lot. I hope all that explains where I'm coming from more precisely.

You have to be smoking something if you think this guy has a chance against Crisis Darkseid... I normally avoid this time of discussion, but he really has no chance. Assuming best case scenarios for Batman, he does before Darkseid is much more han halfway down his dial! (All rolls hit, no crit-hits, Bats gets the first hit, Darkseid misses all Impervious, and Darkseid somehow stood next to hindering terrain.)
Say Batman miraculously bases Darkseid without having been Omega-beamed in the face (remember that 6 range ignores terrain option?). Darkseid proceeds to perplex damage and knock 100 points off in a single hit! Batman perplexes Damage and Flurries, knocking him onto his first vanilla outwit click. Darkseid hits Batman to his 60 point line. Batman clears. Darkseid clears. Batman hits for one damage, and Darkseid kills him.
And this is with Batman being played well, and Darkseid being played poorly. Darkseid should be able to make use of his outwit, because he should be somewhere where he's not next to hindering terrain. And Batman loses the 6-range shoot out even quicker, as he loses the benefit of Flurry, and Darkseid can still see him!
Therr's nothing overpowered about this dial. Everything is accurate. You can stick to preconceived notions that point value is somehow related to power levels, but they really aren't...

This set going to be AWESOME /)^3^(\

You can stick to preconceived notions that point value is somehow related to power levels, but they really aren't...

LOL hysterical!!

Eh, maybe. But only because I worded my statement poorly and you have no interest in why I meant. Which is that having a 200 point heroclix figure is not the same as saying "This character is equal to or capable of defeating every other character whose heroclix figure who also happens to be at or around 200 points."

Agreed. This is basically Batman at his maximum, and unlike the max Nightcrawler from WoS, this figure is more or less appropriately costed. That having been said, I now expect to see max versions of characters like Wolverine, Spider-Man, and Captain America, as there's now really no justification not to.