ok i'm pretty sure i know the answer already but i just want to be sure..i'm using angrir he has a special damage power that allows him to use close combat expert when he does and hits he knocks characters back 4 squares and can place a heavy object in the square they occupied..so with that said if he hits a giant size character that character doesn't take knock back correct, therefore he cant place said heavy object...i hope i'm wrong here with my logic but i doubt it the wording is pretty clear can't be knocked back..

It is better to quote the power than it is to explain the power

He should not need to knock back the character to place the object. That is just an additional effect that may happen.

The language seems to indicate that the object is tied to the knock back.


HAMMER-CLOBBER
Angrir can use Close Combat Expert. When he does and hits, hit characters are knocked back 4 squares and you may place a heavy object in the square they occupied.

I'm not very good with rules but that's my 2cents

Where do I place the object? In the square that the target occupied.

That does not read to me that the target must no longer be in that square.
There could be something on this, and time doesn't allow me to check it out right now, but I would say that knocking the target is not required to place the abject.

By saying "occupied", it helps clarify an object is still placed if the target is KOed, even if they are not knocked back.

you can't place an object under the fig you are hitting so a giant fig that takes and gets hit can't be knocked back so no object can be place in the square it is in.

If you break it down here's what we have:

Angrir can use Close Combat Expert. - pretty self explanatory.

When he does and hits, - here we have a trigger for an effect. When 'X' then 'Y'.

hit characters are knocked back 4 squares and you may place a heavy object in the square they occupied. - this is the effect, or rather the two effects that are triggered.

So written out in long form the power would read:

Angrir can use Close Combat Expert. When he does and hits, hit characters are knocked back 4 squares. Also, when he does and hits, you may place a heavy object in the square the target occupied.

need an orange ruling here.

If the knock back was required for object placement, it would read as something like:

HAMMER-CLOBBER
Angrir can use Close Combat Expert. When he does and hits, hit characters are knocked back 4 squares. IF YOU KNOCK A CHARACTER BACK WITH THIS POWER, you may place a heavy object in the square they occupied.

Your box is no longer orange, so your statements no longer matter.

In all seriousness, I don't know how long it's going to take for me to get used to seeing your name NOT surrounded by orange...

They are independent effects both caused by the hit. Knockback is not necessary to place the object.

"Occupied" is in the past tense because if there is knockback, which is the norm in this case, there is the need to differentiate between the character's current square and the one it was in before the KB. If there's no KB, "occupied" = "occupies".

Given the phrase "When x occurs do y and z", 'y' and 'z' are independent. There needs to be something to signify dependence, such as "When x occurs do y and then z"

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You do not knock back a colossal fig.
If the fig was keep form physically being knock back by elevated terrain, another character, or the edge of the board, the heavy object would still be placed.

No no. Heroclix rules are their own language.