dont feel bad. i keep thinking the old way too.

That doesn't track. It's been ruled the feat isn't 'used' until you actually roll for the Shape Change. Until the feat has been 'used' the character can use Shape Change, right? And that's the only prerequisite for Camouflage.

So until you've actually rolled for the Shape Change you should get the effects of Camouflage. And as long you have Camouflage and are adjacent to the proper terrain opponents can't draw LoF, so they can't pop your Alias except with a melee attack. What am I missing?

No, it can't.

ALIAS
Cost: 3
Prerequisite: and
Choose a character. This character can use Shape Change, if it can’t already. After this feat is used, remove it from the game.Availability: Secret Invasion F006

If that were true, then you would literally have to remove the feat as soon as the game starts.

But you don't. You *CHOOSE* a specific moment when to use Shape Change (and then discard after doing so); it isn't always "on".

Why? It doesn't say to discard after rolling. It says to remove the feat after using it. So if you're using it to get Shape Change, even passively for prerequisite purposes, then it would have to be removed from play.

Well, in addition to everything I laid out above, there is also the PG entry MoomPix also posted earlier. For clarity:

ALIAS
- The feat is considered "used" as soon as the character has rolled for Shape Change. If a player opts to use the feat, but other game effects occur such that the character is not targeted prior to rolling for Alias (e.g., the Skrulls team ability) then the feat is not considered used and is not discarded.

This runs counter to everything else you said.

Except it's not 'used' until you roll for it.

It doesn't say that. It says you 'can use' Shape Change. Now if it said 'When this character is targeted by an attack, it can use Shape Change. After actions resolve, remove this feat from the game' I'd agree with you, but the wording isn't that specific.

That is exactly what it says.

The feat says you can use Shape Change. The PG says the feat isn't 'used' until you actually roll for Shape Change. Which means until you've actually rolled for Shape Change, you 'can use' it.

That's probably poor wording on Wizkid's part, but that's the wording we have.

First, I'm on board here. But I just wanted to point this out:

but other game effects occur such that the character is not targeted prior to rolling for Alias (e.g., the Skrulls team ability) then the feat is not considered used and is not discarded.

Could read (and sounds an awful lot like):

but other game effects occur such that the character is not targeted prior to rolling for Alias (e.g., any line of fire for a ranged combat attack drawn to the character is blocked) then the feat is not considered used and is not discarded.

Which is, of course, the language of Camouflage.

No, it supports everything I said.

If you want to meet a prerequisite with a power (say Shape Change for Camouflage), the character needs to be able to use that power.

Alias only lets you use Shape Change when you use the feat. If you use the feat, you discard the feat. Therefore, if you try to use Alias to get Shape Change for a prerequisite, you will discard immediately after trying to do so.

So then how are you using it as a prereq? If that's the direction you wish to take this argument, fine, that still doesn't work.

If are not using the feat until you roll, then you don't have access to Shape Change before you roll. And if you don't have access to Shape Change before you roll, you can't use Shape Change as a prerequisite.


One last time, with emphasis, YOU CAN'T USE ALIAS AS A PREREQUISTE FOR CAMOUFLAGE. This is not new, this has never, ever worked (pre-assignment changes and post-assignment changes).