Hello, I've recognized that there is a lot of flip-flopping regarding which characters are able to outwit/negate/counter the Power Cosmic/Quintessence Team Ability (just check the units section).

I'd love to have an orange settle this once and for all. Maybe we can sticky this thread, update the list as needed, and people can refer to it whenever they need to?

Here's what I've got:

GG Adam Warlock 032
AvX Scarlet Witch 006
WXM Cyclops 016
WXM Forge 033
BM Roy Raymond Jr 026 (official ruling needed)
DKR John Blake 206 (official ruling needed)
BM Utlilty Belt
AC Dirk Anger 047

I may be missing some. Please add to it. Can I please get a ruling on Roy and Blake? Thanks.

Utility Belt Resource increases that list to every figure that can be assigned a resource!

It's generally a bad idea to try and gather information on such things from the units.

There really is no flip-flopping on these things. All instances are pretty clear cut.

Lists like these are also a bad idea. More common are attempts to do compatibility lists, but the same reasons apply here.

The bottom line is that it is better to learn why things affect the Power Cosmic TA (or why they don't).

This one is a pretty simple one to understand.

There are two main things to concern yourself with here.
1) Powers
2) Counter

Powers are a very simple concept. They are the things which are displayed in the combat dial. They are described on the PAC for the standard powers. Special powers are described on individual cards.

Counter is another very simple concept. If an effect counters something, then it will ALWAYS use the word "counter" to denote this. If it doesn't use that word and instead says "can't use" or "ignore" or something else, then it is not countering.

If an effect is not countering a power, then it will affect a PC/Q figure.

Roy Raymond cannot affect PC/Q people:
For the purpose of his power, the TA is a Power. Since the TA is a power and his effect would counter it, then he cannot use it on a PC/Q guy.

The same applies to John Blake:

LOL in the utility belt.

Don't forget about Dirk Anger.

These both say they can use Outwit to counter a team ability as if it were a power. Power Cosmic says the figure's powers can't be countered, so no to both.

If you use some search-fu you can find previous threads verifying this.

Also, Roy and Blake have been ruled on multiple times. Not that they really needed it, but they do NOT WORK. Why? Because they counter Team Abilities as if they were POWERS. And you cannot counter Powers on PC/Q Team Members.

I hear what you're saying, and here's my counter-point:

Someone recently wrote this in the Units section for Roy Raymond Jr.

Please note the last sentence: Since then, characters like these have included the "as if" phrasing to allow a TA choice. In short: Roy and John can both, indeed, Outwit PC/Quint. *Official Realms ruling*. Previously I thought that John Blake or Roy Raymond Jr *could not* outwit PowerCos/Quint, but this guy throws out that they can, and that it's an official ruling.

Do you see where I'm coming from? This totally confused me.

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this is why quoting powers is always helpful!

Good catch, rep to you.

And don't forget Roy Raymond and John Blake wouldn't work because.....:P

Comments in the Units section can be misleading. Always best to check the Rules Thread, Players posting here give more accurate answers and are looking to help others.

Thank you to all. Questions answered. Closing thread.