I would laugh at watching you suffering in the area of effect of his pulse wave, so that is not humorless.

Heavy objects are still useful for TKers who want to hit guys in stealth!

Get your sound Logic out of this discussion. For there is no rules argument to be made here.

And that's my issue. It's at the expense of the thread. If I want masturbation jokes, I'll go to another realm or the teal lantern forum. If I want answers to rules questions, I go to the rules forum, and I think that making fun of people for raising rules questions IN THE RULES FORUM is disruptive for for the people are discussing the issues now as well as anyone searching the page at a future date that has to wade through the pointless snarky comments.
And if you had only posted once, I would have been more likely to assume it was "one and done." But since you DID post multiple times, there was no logical reason for me to assume that you had reached the magic number at which you were going to stop and not continue. So I'm confused at your confused smiley.
There certainly are those instances, but I don't think this is one of them. The rules say one thing, and it seems possible that the intent could be a different thing.
I like humor, I just don't like making fun of people for asking rules questions in the rules forum without adding anything to the discussion.

Here, point blank: Want me to edit out my posts? Say it.

It's a fine line. Someone reading all my posts would probably think I'm a schizophrenic, of course to want to read all of my posts someone would probably need to have pretty severe mental illnesses of their own. I try to be light in General Discussion forum, and helpful/serious in Rules and S&T. Sometimes I goof. That said the Rules forum has seriously changed over the past...year maybe. I spend a lot of time on here from Nov-April and very little May-Oct. This winter the threads seem a lot less coherent, there seems to be more vitriol, and even threads I think that belong in General Discussion being allowed.

When a judge is trying to find a ruling during a tourney then having threads like this where many, if not most, of the Posts do NOTHING to answer the question it partially defeats the whole purpose of this forum. In my mind this should be where a Judge, or player, can find an answer to a question in the least painful way possible. I feel that was accomplished much more often last year than this year. Go ahead and search for Highfather in here (the figure probably creating the most questions pre-Winter Soldier) and see how long it takes to find useful info. That isn't a good thing imo. This isn't pointing fingers at any one person/group or even type of post. Just an observation.

P.S. I realize the hypocrisy of going waaaay OT to say going OT is bad for this forum.

If you look on the main forum page, though, you will see that the description no longer states that the purpose is for answers to rules questions, but also for discussion.

As for finding a ruling mid-game, I find it is better to make the call on your gut with any facts presented and not waste the players' game time.

Fair enough. But shouldn't the Discussion be limited more to threads with the Discussion Prefix?

As for the second, I feel like that's easier for some judges like you that have a better knowledge of the game, and much harder for others.

I get you.

My apologies for derailing the thread. I was trying to lightheartedly voice my own frustration*, and may have done so in the wrong thread.
















*Namely that there are some folks on this site who get annoyingly pedantic and, I'd say, deliberately obtuse about the simplest of rulings. IMO that sort of thing is a bigger detriment to the Rules forum than any other diversion, as it is both a waste of the Oranges' time and a possible deterrent to new players (i.e. "Wait, is this game really that friggin' complicated? I'll stick to MTG.").

I find it to be awful. Insufferably useless and awful. However, and again, I apologize if I tarred any legitimate questions with that brush.

Every rules question is a legitimate rules question. No one should ever be shamed for not knowing the rules. Learning the rules and admitting uncertainty is an amazing quality to demonstrate. I don't care how basic the question. It can be something as simple as "how many dice do I roll when I attack?" Or "what are dice?" "What does this weird 2d6 thing mean?", nothing is unreasonable. At one time you didn't know the rules, at one time I didn't know the rules. We all had to learn sometime and everyone has asked at least one question that someone could call "illegitimate" or "stupid" but it doesn't mean they should. Just answer the question, don't get frustrated by it. Not everyone is you. Not everyone comprehends the same things you do or in the same way. Sometimes things need to be explained. Discouraging questions discourages players more from wanting to touch the game.

Well you know, this is a good point. In the search for truth (maybe 'answers' is more appropriate here) the nitpicking and "trying to find a problem" attitude can be a real problem. I dunno. ::shrug::

I have to disagree. Not all rules questions are legitimate. I could find a lot of examples but I'd rather not. But "X is stupid, does it really work that stupid way?" Is NOT a legitimate question imo. It's a loaded one. "X shouldn't work that way because _____. What do you think?" Is NOT a legitimate question either. Also, questions about things where the intent is rather obvious, and the wording supports the intent, BUT it is *possible* to read the words another way and that meaning is sort of forced and posed as a "question" is also NOT legitimate. I'm not saying it's terribly common. But yeah, I do think there are illegitimate "questions" asked.

I don't think there's anything wrong with "Hey, how does this work?" Or "Hey, what does this mean?" Sometimes it's ok to nudge such people with a "It means this, but you may want to use the search function because you would've found your answer there pretty easily." But I don't think this kind of thing is at all what Thrumble is talking about. I think he's talking about the questions where one is pushing the boundaries of language, syntax, logic and intent to CREATE a "loophole/problem."

You are correct, sir!

In my opinion, players don't create loopholes. The rules and wordings (/the authors of these rules and wordings) created the loopholes, the players simply found them. It is not the player's fault he was digging and found something he wasn't supposed to, and it is good he brought it to people's attention. I prefer people digging for the things that aren't supposed to be there, because it helps remove the issues as we then get rulings on these things. In my opinion, the problem was always there, the player just made it more visible and hopefully it led to the problem being fixed rather than hidden and swept under a rug, where it still exists.

As a judge, I take full responsibility for any loopholes I create with my rulings on open issues. It is not my player's faults for exploiting this to their advantage.

Uhm, Yes and No.

I'm going to define loopholes as "legal but contrary to intent."

Now, are there loopholes out there? YES. Is there something wrong with pointing one out? NO. Is pointing one out a rules QUESTION? NO! So the attempt to disguise this as a question would be an illegitimate question.

Are there non-loopholes that people try to MAKE into loopholes? YES. Is this a problem? Thrumblefunk says Yes, and I think I agree. Heroclix is NOT Magic, for better or worse. One of it's biggest deficiencies is in the Language/Lexicon department. This IS a problem. Much like the small hole in the seam of my Superman shirt at this moment is a problem. However if I keep playing with it, stretching out the hole and make it worse I am CONTRIBUTING to the problem. Did I create the problem? No. Am I, myself, making it worse? Yes. That does go on sometimes. And THAT is also going to lose us players in the long run. It obfuscates what little clarity Clix has (rules-wise) and makes the game more of a parody (rules wise) then it deserves to be. And also it sometimes spreads. One person saying on here "It doesn't say to turn MY Infinity Gauntlet when I roll a D6, so now that you're on SP 3 I'm going to roll , I rolled a 5, and I'm going to spin YOUR Gauntlet" can spread. It can turn into "I read it's legal" and so on. It can also erode the faith/confidence players have in the Rules and in the game. It can also waste people's time.

Is it within a person's right to do these things? Sure. I can't see a rule against it. That doesn't make it Right however, OR legitimate. And sometimes we only have the "I know it when I see it" statute when dealing with "legit vs illegitimate."