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a couple questions about the below power and/or Telekinesis in general.
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MAGNOBALL CHAMPION: Give Cosmic Boy a power action and he can use Telekinesis twice as a free action. When Cosmic Boy has two action tokens, he can use Telekinesis as a free action.
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TELEKINESIS Give this character a power action and designate a target
character or object (A) and a destination square (B). This character, A, and B
must all be within 8 squares and line of fire of each other. Place A in B. If A is a
character, it must be a single base character and possess the or symbol. If
A is an opposing character, make a close or ranged combat attack that deals no
damage against A, and only place the character in B if the target is hit. If A is an
object and B is occupied by an opposing character, this character may make a
ranged combat attack targeting the character occupying B, dealing object damage
and destroying the object. A character that has been placed by Telekinesis this
turn can’t use Telekinesis this turn.
1. Can a figure with Telekinesis use it on themselves? I dont see anything that says you can't so i'm 95% sure you can.
2. "he can use Telekinesis twice as a free action" to me this is worded has 1 free action to use Telekinesis 2 times, is that correct? it could also be ruled has 2 different free actions to use Telekinesis 2 times.
2a. if its 2 different free actions do they have to be used 1 after then other or can you do something inbetween? ie tk fig X, fig X attacks, then tk fig X back where it started.
2b. if it is 1 free action to use Telekinesis 2 times, would Cosmic Boy be allowed to tk himself and then tk someone else? tk says "...A character that has been placed by Telekinesis this turn can’t use Telekinesis this turn. ", but if its 1 action (or 2 actions that must be used 1 after the other), i can see this getting around that rule the same way Colossus( http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=468459 not the first thread but it talks about it) can use charge twice and get 2 free action close combat actions.
1. you can not TK yourself because THE RULE BOOK SAYS SO.
2. Yes, use TK 2x as a free action means use it twice for free. (One power action!)
2a. I do not think you can do anything in between. Think of the TK as a single action with 2 parts. You must resolve the TK before you can do something else... (But I could be wrong here...)
2b. Still can't TK yourself...
Last edited by red king; 03/11/2014 at 13:51..
Reason: Fixing #1!
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red king is spot on with this statement.
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listen to Red King.
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At the risk of going OT, I need to point out that it appears red king is talking to himself.
2. It is two free actions within one power action.
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2. Yes, use TK 2x as a free action means use it twice for free. (One power action!)
thanks for the quick replies, so if i'm reading the replies correctly you 2 are in dissagreement on if its 1 or 2 free actions granted?
the difference is important with Science Police Officer has you would be taking either 1 or 2 damage depending on how many free actions it is consindered.
My interpretation of "he can use Telekinesis twice as a free action" hinges on exactly the distinction red king draws. It says "as a free action," seemingly indicating the singular. Grammatically, I'd say it's one free action within which the character uses Telekinesis twice.
I'm with VanisherPunisher on this one, it says "can use telekinesis twice as a free action", which is grammatically the same as "can use telekinesis as a free action twice". Each use of telekinesis is a separate free action within this power action.
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When I played him it was ruled that it was one action and that I had to be able to draw all lines before placing either target.
I'm also wondering if you have to use tk twice or if you can just use it once. Is it like Chanos's teleport my greatest enemies where there has to be two targets?
He can use TK normally if you wish, or he may use it twice as a single free action.
Both uses of TK would be part of the same action, so no other actions could occur between the uses of TK.
Each use would be resolved in order, though, so you wouldn't have to draw legal lines of fire for the 2nd use of TK until after you resolved the 1st use of TK.
Give Cosmic Boy a power action to use TK.
He can use TK normally if you wish, or he may use it twice as a single free action.
Why do you think this? Usually a power will say exactly that. He can use it normally or...
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Give Cosmic Boy a power action to use TK.
Each use would be resolved in order, though, so you wouldn't have to draw legal lines of fire for the 2nd use of TK until after you resolved the 1st use of TK.
I'm a little more likely to buy this, but again what basis do you have for saying this?
Why do you think this? Usually a power will say exactly that. He can use it normally or...
Well nothing requires you to perform the second TK so a power action for one use of TK is just regular TK. This merely gives the option to use it twice.
I'm a little more likely to buy this, but again what basis do you have for saying this?
It says use TK twice, that would mean you have to resolve the first use of TK before you can start the second, it's not allowing you to move several characters with a single use of TK so you wouldn't need to draw the LoF until you were using that particular TK usage. Thus I TK ultra guy from 8 squares away from me to adjacent. Then I TK ultra guy again up to 8 squares away to another location. They're separate uses of TK under a single free action as it reads.
Those are my takes on it. For the second question look at Kid Omega from WTX:
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HIGH POWER, LIMITED SCOPE: When using Mind Control, Kid Omega may target up to three opposing characters if all are within 3 squares of him. When using Telekinesis, Kid Omega may target and place up to three friendly characters if all are within 3 squares of him; when he does, he ignores those friendly characters for line of fire purposes.
He has a stipulation where you would need LoF for all characters and points in order for TK to work, though he ignores the characters chosen for LoF.