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I'm glad you feel you are entitled to your beliefs. Too bad no one seems to think I am entitled to my beliefs that a much higher percentage of players were confused by this. If you would like to listen to my idea that not everyone understands Toyman perfectly, I have a wonderful thread to show you (actually, more than just one).
Dude. Stop. I never said you're not entitled to your beliefs. I have never said anything like that. I am perfectly fine with pointing out horribly ambiguous powers/traits/interactions. I've been on your side in many such discussions. Me saying that I firmly believe THIS is not one of those cases means just that. I don't believe this is one of those cases.
Quote : Originally Posted by anthony_barnstable
What issue am I pretending exists? Every issue I have ever raised was an issue that honestly does exist and needed some form of further clarification. You may hate the idea of a lengthy rules document. I, on the other hand, hate the idea of a poorly written one full of ambiguities.
I don't think the "who does this apply to" issue is a real problem. Not when compared to many, many other rules issues that are a real problem. I don't hate the idea of a lengthy rules document. I'm in favor of errataing EVERY single special power and trait for clarity. You need to stop with acting like just because I don't agree with on this issue that I must somehow disagree with you on every other issue. It's not always "for or against." Dear lord, if you google my name and thrumblefunk's you will see we have been on VERY different sides of many many issues. Heck, for a while I could just expect that whatever he said was going to vehemently disagree with what I said and vica versa.
Quote : Originally Posted by anthony_barnstable
But why should we be making a conscious effort to put the burden of deciding the rules in the judges hands on a local level rather than just have the rules explain it clearly in the PG and accept the ambiguity? All this does is run the risk of one guy somewhere ruling wrong and teaching all of his players the wrong answer. Why encourage players to risk playing the game incorrectly? It just seems lazy and uncaring to say "nah, they'll probably get it right, let's not worry about that."
I know I've explained this before too, but my take is because sometimes threads and questions CREATE problems. I know you believe they don't, they can only point out the problems. That's your belief. Mine is that sometimes you have something that will get ruled correctly 99.999% of the time, then someone manages to throw some doubt onto the topic. NOW you have a bunch of reactions, but some of them will be to raise only doubt and confusion. A lot of people might see the first ten posts in a thread and never check back. Never see the resolution. So yes, lazy or not I think if "they'll probably get it right" then we should probably not worry about that. That seems the practical and pragmatic solution to me.
Quote : Originally Posted by vlad3theimpaler
Maybe sarcasm isn't quite the word, but I think you'd be hard-pressed to argue that the hand holding comment wasn't dismissive and insulting. And it was certainly not the only post to have that tone.
Which is why I think it's odd that you only call out Anthony responding in a snarky manner, but not Thrumble or anyone else that was giving Anthony a hard time first.
I didn't read it as dismissive or insulting. From Merriam-Webster Hand holding: solicitous attention, support, or instruction (as in servicing clients)
I don't think of it as an insulting phrase. Now that you bring it more to my attention I could see how it could easily be construed as such. But that is not how I read it. And I don't Anthony did either as his response indicated exactly how much hand holding he wanted. I feel like if he found it offensive then he wouldn't have reused the phrase.
As for "giving a hard time" I see no issue with that if it isn't insulting, rude or diminutive. I've never said "stop giving the Deputies a hard time by asking questions!" I have said "stop being rude to the volunteers."
aqhoffman- greatest post possibly ever
jtallday- Jon I wouldn't challenge you if I wasn't sure you are wrong cuz I don't have that kind of energy.