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Oh god. Oh god. Psychic squirrel. I am now terrified.
I did originally type "wrong" instead of "incorrect" (this was even before I used my extraordinary power to see stuff), but I must have felt dark vibes radiating through the internet that lead me to decide "incorrect" was the more appropriate word. There's absolutely no doubt now that normalview's powers are growing stronger. All current and past rules deputies should probably be worried. He may want to assimilate.
U can really roll your attack first, then decide to make an AoE?
I understand game effects/ rules aren't tied to " real- life", but I would think, for example, that would be like shooting something then deciding what type of bullets you want to use after you shot.
That's how it works. Real life has nothing to do with it.
U can really roll your attack first, then decide to make an AoE?
I understand game effects/ rules aren't tied to " real- life", but I would think, for example, that would be like shooting something then deciding what type of bullets you want to use after you shot.
If you gave the character a ranged combat action EE is automatically "on", just as BCF with a close combat action. But both give you the option ("you may") to use the effect they provide. With BCF you make the attack and then you can choose to roll the D6 or not. With EE you make the attack and then can choose to create the AoE or not. It doesn't connect well to "real life", no, but it's no odder than shooting at multiple targets and deciding after you see who you hit how to divide the damage, is it?
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
“No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife between the shoulder blades will seriously cramp his style.”
Really, the entire concept of multiple ranged targets having damage divvied up after the attack roll makes no real-life sense, but that's how the game works.
So, if Heroclix isn't based on real life, should I stop punching people, screaming at them "I just critical hit you!"?
I don't think so!!
Another man loomed up and the sword fell on him like a falling star, crushed his helmet and the skull beneath it down to his mouth. The body dropped on its back and danced a merry jig in the dirt."Dance!" laughed the Bloody-Nine.
If you gave the character a ranged combat action EE is automatically "on", just as BCF with a close combat action. But both give you the option ("you may") to use the effect they provide. With BCF you make the attack and then you can choose to roll the D6 or not. With EE you make the attack and then can choose to create the AoE or not. It doesn't connect well to "real life", no, but it's no odder than shooting at multiple targets and deciding after you see who you hit how to divide the damage, is it?
Right. But if you really want a no-prize, you can also stretch out an explanation. Like, say with Green Goblin, he has pumpkin bombs. Some go off on a timer, others are connected to a remote detonator. Norman can decide when/if his bombs explode even after they've thrown them. I know, it's not the best explanation, but hey, I'm trying.
Steal Energy's game effect is healing the attacker of 1 damage if its conditions are met. So, like the others are saying, no 'effect' is being transferred in this case.
My argument for Steal Energy working is that I feel the conditions are being met. I don't think the last line of MM "converts" the damage into non-attack damage. If the source is a close combat attack and an opposing character eventually takes the damage, the conditions are met. The last line of MM is specific to the figure taking the damage.
This makes sense to me. I can see where the wording could have been added to prevent mystics triggering to the MMer.
Ok, it's been a few months but this feels like it's still unresolved...
I will likely encounter this situation in a few weeks so I need an update.
-- A --
B C D
(A has mastermind, ABCD are all adjacent and friendly to one another)
1 - need confirmation: If A is targeted and successfully hit with EE - Assuming A transfers the damage, does the splash damage take effect or not?
2 - if either B, C or D gets targeted successfully with EE, can A transfer the splash damage to one of the other 3? (including the initial target)
3 - What if B,C or D were all on their last clicks - and they die as a result of the splash damage - can A still transfer to any of them?
4 - Same as #3 but in reverse, if either B,C or D were the initial targets of EE, each on their last clicks, and A would receive splash damage, can A still transfer the damage to any of the other 3?
Ok, it's been a few months but this feels like it's still unresolved...
I will likely encounter this situation in a few weeks so I need an update.
-- A --
B C D
(A has mastermind, ABCD are all adjacent and friendly to one another)
1 - need confirmation: If A is targeted and successfully hit with EE - Assuming A transfers the damage, does the splash damage take effect or not?
2 - if either B, C or D gets targeted successfully with EE, can A transfer the splash damage to one of the other 3? (including the initial target)
3 - What if B,C or D were all on their last clicks - and they die as a result of the splash damage - can A still transfer to any of them?
4 - Same as #3 but in reverse, if either B,C or D were the initial targets of EE, each on their last clicks, and A would receive splash damage, can A still transfer the damage to any of the other 3?
RPGgambit, any update on the email you mentioned?
Love and Peace!!!!
1 - Yes. The Splash Damage still happens because A was still hit with the attack.
2 - Yes. Mastermind still lets him "share the love" even if the character he is sharing with is already being loved.
3 - Yes. The damage all happens at once so even if the initial hit would KO the target you can still transfer it.
4- same as above
Quote : Originally Posted by dairoka
I'm pretty sure Dragon has the Future keyword and Probability Control.
Quote : Originally Posted by jonidschultz
Dragon is correct. Dragon is always correct. Never argue with a Dragon.
And now that I've read this necro'ed thread, it seems there is a simple solution (to bring wording in line with intent). Change:
Quote : Originally Posted by Energy Explosion
When this character is given a ranged combat action and deals damage, an area of effect may include all untargeted characters that are adjacent to one or more hit targets assigned at least 1 damage. Hit targets are dealt damage normally, other hit characters are dealt 1 damage for each printed on this character’s base.
To:
Quote : Originally Posted by Energy Explosion, Revised
When this character is given a ranged combat action and would deal damage, an area of effect may include all untargeted characters that are adjacent to one or more hit targets assigned at least 1 damage. Hit targets are dealt damage normally, other hit characters are dealt 1 damage for each printed on this character’s base.
Which, I would think, gets around the mastermind loophole.
Posted because it seems too easy and obvious to not mention.
"I think it is very important to consider your venue a community and not a commodity." - tyroclix
1 - Yes. The Splash Damage still happens because A was still hit with the attack.
2 - Yes. Mastermind still lets him "share the love" even if the character he is sharing with is already being loved.
3 - Yes. The damage all happens at once so even if the initial hit would KO the target you can still transfer it.
4- same as above
ok Dragon, let's try to get you another medal on your signature.
Oranges, can I confirm if Dragon is right? I wouldn't want to be in an argument with my judges if all I have to show for it is a yes from other forum posters.
ok Dragon, let's try to get you another medal on your signature.
Oranges, can I confirm if Dragon is right? I wouldn't want to be in an argument with my judges if all I have to show for it is a yes from other forum posters.
Thanks!
If you need to have the Rules Team sign off on this, then you are going to need to send them an email at [email protected]
They really do not post that often on this site any more. They will pop on and answer one or two basic questions, but for the most part if you need an answer from them, then you need to send them an email.
Quote : Originally Posted by dairoka
I'm pretty sure Dragon has the Future keyword and Probability Control.
Quote : Originally Posted by jonidschultz
Dragon is correct. Dragon is always correct. Never argue with a Dragon.