I don't understand why you are so adamant it can't happen or that it will require so many crazy hoops to jump through. Every set we get some sort of game mechanic or effect that is brand new and has never been thought of by the players before. Something that you can't think of that totally breaks Black Swan is well within the realm of possibility.

The difference is that the Collector can currently be weaponized... though when I won a tournament with the Collector, it was a 600 point game. And technically, I only used the alternate win condition in two of the three games (though the third game only caused me difficulties because at the time it was legal to put collectibles in orange terrain, something which (they say) is changing in the ever-hypothetical "next" Player's Guide).

The Collector is scary in a 300 point match too.

Yeah 150pt Collector with Butcher or Black Hand (or a Phoenix Force on RS) could be viable and dangerous, but I've never fielded it. 400 becomes far more viable due to a lot of the cheaper pieces being created that are really efficient and can give him 2-3 friends.

Try this one:


235 GOTG034 Collector
33 FL007 S.T.A.R. Labs Technician
6 FIR100 The Book of the Skull
3 FIR101 Kuurth's Hammer
3 FIR102 Mokk's Hammer
3 FIR103 Skirn's Hammer
3 FIR104 Greithoth's Hammer
3 FIR106 Nul's Hammer
3 FIR107 Angrir's Hammer
3 FIR201 Skadi's Hammer
3 FIB005 Super Fan
298

YOUR TEAM IS MINE!!

Perhaps, but reliably getting a second turn win with the Collector was my goal when I played with him.

Possible with the team above.

Turn 1: TK out Collector 4 squares. Power Action Super Fan, drop Greithoth's hammer. Power Action Collector, pick up Greithoth's hammer.

Turn 2: TK Collector as far as possible. Collector moves to within 2 squares of entire opposing team. Super Fan pushes to drop another hammer, free quake w/Giant size and 13AV.

Collect entire opposing team.

You forgot the step where I crit miss because its a big tournament and my dice always go cold as Hoth when it matters.

But unlikely. You have to assume that the opposing team is not spread out. You have to assume that the opposing team doesn't also have TK to hit Collector after his turn 1 of picking up a hammer (and doesn't he need to be moved 5 squares not 4?). You have to assume the opposing team doesn't do something simple like spread out. You have to assume that a 10 attack is good enough to hit everyone on the opposing team (since you need to hit by 3 more than defense value)... and that's the thing that seems the most iffy to me. If they're being defended by Despodara, you'd need to roll at least a 10 to hit *anybody* well enough to collect them... and you have to hope they don't have PC. Sure, you might do normal quake damage if you roll an 8+, but you need a 10+ for instant win. That's not reliable to me.

The movie Collector is more fun than that too.

Which, if you didn't KO anything, means the game is over and tied at 0 points which would go to a roll off. Not a guaranteed win at that point, right?

I think it would be a 0 point win as you are the last player with figs on the map

Capture was ruled differently. Removing your opponent's team from the map goes to roll off, it isn't a win.

You might want to read the trait

I WON'T LET YOU ESCAPE: At the end of your turn, place an Exhibit token on each Collected character's card, and roll 2d6 that can't be rerolled. Each Collected character rolls 2d6 and subtracts the number of Exhibit tokens on its card from the result. If a Collected character's result is equal or higher than yours, that character's controller may place it within 6 squares of Collector with an action token and remove all Exhibit tokens from its card. Opposing characters can be given a power action to remove an Exhibit token from a friendly character. When the game ends, all Collected characters are KO'd.

Good catch. Apparently three of us skipped that line.

Beat me to it.