So Spectre should just stand there to get ranged combat experted? I would rather take my chances with close combat and destroy the higher costed boomerang.


As for the thread. No I don't think he is the saving grace of the team, but he gives them a nice chance in a regular 300 point game if the opposing character isn't expecting it. Not many plan for a 19 defense character with "bonuses" happening within the TA.

I think what would save the JSA is an ability similar to the Avengers and Brotherhood TA. Either have Dr. Fate give it or make it a 2 point ata (0 points if 9 or more characters share the keyword). The team lacks a lot of beef for now and very important support powers. Support, perplex and outwit should be with at least one of these characters and Alan really needed TK to get them around. I'm hoping Johnny brings the regular prob and perplex and Fate brings special perplex and TK.

To really help with the move ratio, I would suggest that amazing ability they gave battlestar. Maybe the rookie
Johnny. That could easily get them the actions needed.

god no, I mean what's in the Joker's Wild set. Everyone is way overreacting.

nope, KC has a 12 av

The new Spectre isn't adding much to the new cheapo team, unles they give Fate a form of multi-Carry.

Three actions, 9-ish figures, no Leadership... he's not going to help a lot.

It does add a neat and cheap source of 19 DV to older and better JSA figures (and to the Legion Of Superheroes).

*KC FLash

Dunno how that got lost in translation

I'm happy, purely because it's a great sculpt and a semi-useful dial.

This.

I can think of a few Wildcards more than happy to have a ghost on the team for 40 points.

NO it doesnt.
He might make the team playable, but he doesnt make the team the JSA.

• Al is way too strong top dial
• Hourman is only interesting because he is on a clock (where is that feel)
• Green Arrow shouldnt be on the team

...and I havent even seen Johnny Thunder and Yzz yet ("Say-You").

I mean, if I'm fielding Boomerang here I'm fine with you phasing up to me. Attempting Sidestep breakaway is free anyways, so I have a 50/50 shot of doing that with no negative consequences.

I am missing something, how does this mean anything?

Spectre shares an unmodified 19 defense to JSA Member X who has a 17 defense.

If you perplex down the 17 to a 16.... Spectre comes in and it is replaced with 19, perplexed down 1 to 18. Still 2 higher than it would have been.

If you perplex spectre he shares his defense (replace first) as a 19, then the perplex has no effect on Member X....

Math matters!
Odds of successfully side stepping away and then hitting spectre with an attack assuming he puts both of his RCE bonuses into attack....

Odds of Breakaway * Odds of 13 hitting a 19 * odds of shape change failing
0.5*(26/36)*2/3= 24%

Odds of him one shotting Spectre that bases him:
Odds of Breakaway * Odds of 11 hitting a 19 * odds of shape change failing
0.5*(15/36)*2/3= 14%

If I was running JSA, this guy would be the cornerstone of my build.

Because it's just that easy, right?
I mean, phase on up. You won't get to attack and Boomerang will still have an 11 attack and if he hits for just 2 Spectre loses that 19 defense and shape change.

Also, since Spectre is is in "take the fight to them" mode all of those other JSAers out there are not going to be getting much out of his defense value making it that much easier for the rest of the opposing team to hit them.

He has not got to use RCE for damage either.
Again, 2 damage really puts a big dent in Spectre's value. Maybe Boomerang goes to a 13 attack so a below-average attack roll won't take him out, but it will put quite a dent in his effectiveness.

I'm just saying that Boomerang is Boomerang and that's all well and good, and a cheap Spectre is all well and good too.

But there are a lot of KO slots on those JSA dials and giving them a higher cost option with a few more clicks of life would be far from the worst idea they ever had.

I wouldn't care if, in Spectre's case for example, those exact same four clicks were repeated to give him 8 clicks at 100 points or whatever.

They do not have to make those extra clicks earth-shatteringly powerful, just give the character more staying power and thus more opportunities to make a difference in the games he is used in.

Someone likes having the entire team at 300? Nothing I am suggesting changes that. They could still have the entire team at 300.

I just can't stop thinking that this guy here is probably worth more than 4 clicks and 40 points.

That that guy there could take an attack or three and still be standing.