None taken. It's long in the past. And besides, I'm still here.


It works for me.

That's easy... the secondary market is a good indicator of the strength of your product. A strong secondary market (beyond a couple of pieces each set) means you've got a healthy game on your hand. If nobody's buying/trading/selling or the prices per piece have fallen into the toilet, well... it means you're not doing something right because intrest is waning.

Exactly. HC sales "better" under Tuttle? That's something I'll never believe. The numbers just don't add up (I've crunched them many times here before). From everything we know about thte number of cases produced (and therefore sold) there's no way WK was making more money post-Avengers. And if they were, would Topps have killed off WK and/or HC? Think about it.


And one of the best!

Personal issues with Mr. Tuttle aside, (as I really have no interest in that, nor do I care) until very recently, the secondary market was doing very well, even booming. So I see no evidence to back anyones claims that the game was in financial trouble. Good, bad or otherwise, the high demand BiBtB figures coupled with the excellent Chase figures, was a boon to the game. Sets were selling out in record time.

I'd love to see your take on the numbers Karl. I posted a couple of pages back what my thoughts were about the numbers, and I have yet to see anyone respond and/or counter what I've posted.

As for Topps closing down WK, you have to look at in in context of what was going on in the economy at the time.(And is still going on) Topps is a big company, and WK/HC was/is a very small (niche) part of that larger entity. All we can really do is speculate as to what the real reasons for the closure were. If the numbers I crunched are even close to what really was happening, that money is less than peanuts in the financial word. Perhaps they thought that it was simply just not worth the time and effort to produce this game anymore, for such small profit margins. Again, just speculation on my part.

I love the game, and I love the direction it was heading. It's sad to see it 'die' like this, but honestly I have invested so much time/effort/energy and money into it, that I'll never let it truly die. As long as I have my figures, I'll keep clixing.

I don't understand why some folks are continually tempted to argue that Heroclix was a significant money-maker for Topps. All signs from 2007+ point towards a brand that wasn't performing...and at the end it wasn't even performing well enough to keep a skeleton crew on hand, when Heroclix was practically the only bullet left in the barrel.

Yes I believe that the WK properties could be retooled for profitability (HC, MW, SRD, even Creepy Freaks!) but that doesn't mean that they were profitable (or profitable enough).

Borrowed from SWM.

I loved that aspect; it made it easy to cherry-pick characters from others for cheap.

Of course, this meant I wasn't giving WK monies by buying boosters.

Rumor has it that he hates puppies too. And I got it on good authority that he was the brainchild of Brand New Day and wrote the screenplay for Spider-man 3.

-The Le

...when I got to this part it became obvious that you're living in a fantasy world, where even the most outlandish and improbable things can happen...

I think this is where the difference of view comes in: many of us believe HeroClix was profitable, but not meeting the level of profitability Topps required. It wouldn't be the first time a company set a goal and considered failing to meet it a failure of the product, disregarding how reasonable the goal was.

Well . . . Spider-Man 3 is easily B+ worthy . . . so 1 out of 3 ain't bad.

After reading this, I find it hard to believe you are a Professor of anything, sir!

My mother told me once, "If your enemy knew how upset he made you, he would be laughing at you". If Tuttle is reading this post, then he must be ROTFLOL.

I got my degree from you!

Well that explains everything. Clearly I didn't charge you enough!

Degree, Schmagree.
You probably live in your parents extra bedroom on the the second floor,
taking up space, not paying rent, eating all the food, drinking all the "throwback" 'Dew and not once "throwing down" a game of Heroclix against your Old Man.

I say good day, Sir.
Good Day!

You charged me five human kidneys and STILL haven't given me my degree!